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Give or take 4 Billion. I seen dinosuroses and bare foot men foot prints in the same creek myself!Glen Rose Texas by golly. Mike Johnson runs his own creationist parks too ya know. Even he knows.

Have no idea how old it is and neither does anyone else.

+1....bob

Nice try. No I don't think Isaiah had the mental capacity of a 3 year old. But you already knew that.

As far as the rest of it, Isaiah had it figured out in the 8th century BC, and the smartest minds of the day were arguing about it more than 2000 years later.

According to some scientists it’s at least 85 billion years old.

That's not how it works at all. Elements heavier than iron are all forged during supernovae events and it's at that point radioactive decay begins. That half the U238 remains since the world has formed means nothing in establishing the age of the earth. In order to determine that, we use zircon crystals. When formed, zircon has a an affinity for uranium while at the same time has an aversion for Pb. The other useful fact about zircon is it's extremely durable. It doesn't erode away like quartz, limestone, feldspar and other naturally occurring minerals. So, it's therefore assumed only uranium and no lead was captured within zicron crystals when they were formed. One measures the ratio of Uranium to lead to establish the age of when the crystals were formed. It's also why zircon is referred to as the "Time Lord". Thus far, the oldest zircon crystals found are 4.4 billion years old from the Jack Hills range in Western Australia. It also may contradict that the first 500 million years of earth were a molten hellscape.

Link please.

Think, from memory, 4.2 or 4.8 Billion Years old.

Ditto this^^^^^

This really isn't even a debate of Christians vs non Christians. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON a Christian has to believe the earth is only 6000 years old. This young earth crap is mostly a US evangelical movement. Many Christians have no problems believing in both God and a very old universe. It all comes down being able to accept that some things in the Bible do not have to be taken completely LITERALLY!

Let me given you an example. Are you a "Born Again" Christian. The Bible says you must be reborn or born again to see the kingdom of heaven. So, does this mean that all Christians have to crawl back up into a woman's uterus and be pushed out through her vagina in a second birth? Of course not. The term is being used "FIGURATIVELY" not literally. WOW! What a concept huh? The Bible does speak figuratively, metaphorically, and sometimes tries to teach moral lessons through parables that are not meant to be taken literally either.

Evidence that the earth is far older than 6000 years is so glaringly obvious that in order to believe such nonsense you have to engage in WILLFULL IGNORANCE. Young Earthers engage in the worse conformation bias of any group in the history of earth. They disregard any evidence that clearly refutes their case. They often seize small bits of information that seem to support their claims if not placed in the proper context. Then they of course intentionally fail to provide the context. Sadly, a whole branch of pseudo-scientific BS has been pumped onto the internet for people like yourselves to try to use as if it were real evidence in such debates. Like the bogus claim that the oceans should be saltier. Or that there haven't been enough supernovas. Both are ridiculous notions debunked long ago but people like yourself know that most people at a forum such as this don't possess the science knowledge to refute such claims and most who could won't bother to waste their time. People like yourself start with a belief and then try to selectively assemble only good sounding nuggets plucked from some bogus young earth website. You don't let the evidence lead you to the truth. You start with something you MUST BELIEVE and reject anything that contradicts it.

For myself on the other hand, it doesn't make a tinkers damn to me whether the earth is 6000 years old or 4.5 billion. And that fact allows me to look at the evidence objectively. It would have absolutely no negative impact on my life whatsoever if the evidence showed that the earth was only 6000 years old. It's just that the evidence doesn't show that.

Evolution takes a bigger leap of faith, then Creation.

Yes

oblate spheroid but close enough

Nah, not even close.

We worry about things that matter. Age of the earth certainly doesn't matter.

No, it doesn't.

Unless you want to get things out of it, like petroleum and minerals. Then it helps to know about the subsurface, and how it got to be like it is.

That all depends. If you belong to one of the sects that believes the Bible is the unerring, or perfect word of God, then you must believe the generations of blood line of Jesus listed in the NT give a timeline of the earth back to Adam, and hence, reveals the age of the Earth.

Keep in mind, if there's no Garden of Eden, there is no Original Sin.

No original Sin, no need for Jesus.

No Jesus, no Salvation.

So, yea, there are Christians who belief in Salvation hinges on a Young Earth.

Specifically, this is the theology of Ken Ham.

A lotta people feel that way about the Bible (that “it’s the unerring, or perfect word of God”) while at the same time realizing that the Bible clearly sometimes speaks figuratively, metaphorically, allegorically, and sometimes teaches through parables…NONE of which are meant to be taken literally.

I am a long ways from being atheist but I can see how a thinking young person could be pushed that direction even by self professed friends of Jesus and other believers. All this stuff about the road to salvation, young earth, etc., etc.

I have a forty year old son and we put him in a Catholic K through 12 school to keep him out of the public zoo. At about 9 years of age he came to me and told me he couldn't believe they were serious about what they taught in the mandatory 1 hour religion class. I told him to just listen, take the tests, and dismiss the foolish doctrine.

When you have 400 sects of Christianity in one country some of whom are seriously opposed to each other what is an outsider looking in to think. Some folks are so wed to a literal interpretation that they cannot acknowledge some of their beliefs as ludicrous. Obvious contradictions are explained away by some idiotic interpretation that I would guess was come up with by some half literate preacher way back when. Sophism is an art form in some of the more hard shell fundamentalist adherents of Christianity.

In any case I would say Jesus' "friends'' do his teachings far more harm than any questions by agnostics and atheists.