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Again, salvation isn’t based on whether or not one believes anything that was written in the Old Testament, literally or figuratively.
But it is based on believing in the Gospel.
As long as one acknowledges that Jesus died for the sins of everyone and rose from the dead, and one accepts God’s gift of salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus alone, then they’re good to go. Period.
You have a choice. God will honor your choice. You can choose to spend eternity in His presence. It’s easy. It’s simple. Nothing complicated about it. At all. Or you can choose to ‘not’ spend eternity in His presence. The choice is yours. If he doesn't exist, it's an empty choice. If it's an empty choice, and you chose to not spend eternity in his presence, you better be right. Posted this on here years ago and think about it often. I was in Virginia once and at a gas station....an old gentleman came out to get in his real old pickup....had a pair of overalls on...old straw had. As he got in his truck and turned around...I saw an old license plate on the front bumper...it said.."When you die and believe there is no God...you better be right." Think about that often. It's not Pascal's Wager. It's new. It's improved. It's Pascal's Wager on a bumper sticker!
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But when I die and believe there is a God, I TRUST that I am right.
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So , God provided miracles over the years and especially when his people were starting to doubt His existence. The 10 commandments, the burning bush, the loaves and fishes, and many more including the Madonna. You are taking the word of men you don't know that lived thousands of years ago that any of that is true. If accepting the Bible as the word of god and living your life by it is the most important thing in the world then why would god only reveal himself to a small group of people in a rural part of the middle east thousands of years ago? And what about all the people that lived in North America, Central America, South America at that time. I guess it wasn't important for them to be exposed to this great revelation because it would be another 1500 to 1600 years before they had any contact with a Christian. Hey, who cares what the heathen races believe anyway right? "When you die and believe there is no God...you better be right." Think about that often. When you die and have opted to only believe in one of the thousands of gods offered by the religions of the world.......you better be right. Think about that.
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Do any of the “thousands of gods offered by the religions of the world” have a 2,000 year history and 2.4 billion followers today…?
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Do any of the “thousands of gods offered by the religions of the world” have a 2,000 year history and 2.4 billion followers today…? The modern global climate change cult is just a variant of paganism, and that was around long before Christianity.
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Do any of the “thousands of gods offered by the religions of the world” have a 2,000 year history and 2.4 billion followers today…? Hinduism has approximately 1.2 billion adherents worldwide, It is as old as the Abrahamic religions and easily predates Christianity.
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and 2.4 billion followers today There are 8.1 billion people on earth. So that means 5.7 billion people aren't Christian. But this is not really relevant. Truth is not a popularity contest. And widespread belief in something is not evidence.
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Do any of the “thousands of gods offered by the religions of the world” have a 2,000 year history and 2.4 billion followers today…? Hinduism has approximately 1.2 billion adherents worldwide, It is as old as the Abrahamic religions and easily predates Christianity. So it’s older than Christianity, but Christianity has 100% more followers.
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Do any of the “thousands of gods offered by the religions of the world” have a 2,000 year history and 2.4 billion followers today…? Hinduism has approximately 1.2 billion adherents worldwide, It is as old as the Abrahamic religions and easily predates Christianity. Do any of the “thousands of gods offered by the religions of the world” have a 2,000 year history and 2.4 billion followers today…? So when Christianity had a following of thousands and was 100 year old it was less true? Is Religion a search for some type of truth, or a democracy of people picking their god(s) and the god(s) that are most popular are the most true?
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Do any of the “thousands of gods offered by the religions of the world” have a 2,000 year history and 2.4 billion followers today…? Hinduism has approximately 1.2 billion adherents worldwide, It is as old as the Abrahamic religions and easily predates Christianity. So it’s older than Christianity, but Christianity has 100% more followers. Argumentum ad populum: In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument which is based on claiming a truth or affirming something is good because many people think so.
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So when Christianity had a following of thousands and was 100 year old it was less true? Yep. Apparently it's a straight up numbers game.
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It’s much more than that. The evidence shows that early Christianity grew…against overwhelming odds…like an airborne contagion; from a tiny group of followers 2000 years ago to the most dominant religion in the world today.
Facts matter. They carry some weight.
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The evidence shows that early Christianity grew…against overwhelming odds…like an airborne contagion; from a tiny group of followers 2000 years ago to the most dominant religion in the world today.
Facts matter. They carry some weight. So if Christianity numbers ever drop below Hindu or Islamic numbers it will be a false religion. Got it.
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This little guy right here is a pretty good argument against Darwinian evolution. ![[Linked Image from evolutionisamyth.com]](https://www.evolutionisamyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/bomrardier-beetle-810x456.jpg)
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So , God provided miracles over the years and especially when his people were starting to doubt His existence. The 10 commandments, the burning bush, the loaves and fishes, and many more including the Madonna. You are taking the word of men you don't know that lived thousands of years ago that any of that is true. If accepting the Bible as the word of god and living your life by it is the most important thing in the world then why would god only reveal himself to a small group of people in a rural part of the middle east thousands of years ago? And what about all the people that lived in North America, Central America, South America at that time. I guess it wasn't important for them to be exposed to this great revelation because it would be another 1500 to 1600 years before they had any contact with a Christian. Hey, who cares what the heathen races believe anyway right? "When you die and believe there is no God...you better be right." Think about that often. When you die and have opted to only believe in one of the thousands of gods offered by the religions of the world.......you better be right. Think about that.
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So , God provided miracles over the years and especially when his people were starting to doubt His existence. The 10 commandments, the burning bush, the loaves and fishes, and many more including the Madonna. You are taking the word of men you don't know that lived thousands of years ago that any of that is true. If accepting the Bible as the word of god and living your life by it is the most important thing in the world then why would god only reveal himself to a small group of people in a rural part of the middle east thousands of years ago? And what about all the people that lived in North America, Central America, South America at that time. I guess it wasn't important for them to be exposed to this great revelation because it would be another 1500 to 1600 years before they had any contact with a Christian. Hey, who cares what the heathen races believe anyway right? "When you die and believe there is no God...you better be right." Think about that often. When you die and have opted to only believe in one of the thousands of gods offered by the religions of the world.......you better be right. Think about that.
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So , God provided miracles over the years and especially when his people were starting to doubt His existence. The 10 commandments, the burning bush, the loaves and fishes, and many more including the Madonna. You are taking the word of men you don't know that lived thousands of years ago that any of that is true. If accepting the Bible as the word of god and living your life by it is the most important thing in the world then why would god only reveal himself to a small group of people in a rural part of the middle east thousands of years ago? And what about all the people that lived in North America, Central America, South America at that time. I guess it wasn't important for them to be exposed to this great revelation because it would be another 1500 to 1600 years before they had any contact with a Christian. Hey, who cares what the heathen races believe anyway right? "When you die and believe there is no God...you better be right." Think about that often. When you die and have opted to only believe in one of the thousands of gods offered by the religions of the world.......you better be right. Think about that. Matthew 7:13-14 says.....Enter by the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
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The evidence shows that early Christianity grew…against overwhelming odds…like an airborne contagion; from a tiny group of followers 2000 years ago to the most dominant religion in the world today. Facts matter. They carry some weight. So if Christianity numbers ever drop below Hindu or Islamic numbers it will be a false religion. Got it. No. But while it’s possible that all of the other religions offer some truth in them…if it differs from what Jesus says…then it would be wrong. Other religions may have many things right…but if they differ from what Jesus says…then it would be wrong. So in ‘that’ sense, Hinduism and Islam are already false religions.
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The evidence shows that there really was a man named Jesus 2000 years ago who walked the earth and performed miracles, and who predicted His own death and resurrection and accomplished it.
And the evidence shows that there were Mosaic Law abiding Jews converting completely to this new belief system, and paying for it with their lives, to say that it really did happen.
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This little guy right here is a pretty good argument against Darwinian evolution. Not really sure how that is an argument against evolutions. But I am a bit amused that when you look at a beetle that shoots hot acid out its butt you think it's evidence for the Christian God.
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