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Poking up the ‘Fire a little bit! I have long held the belief that FDR did all he could to drag the US into the war in 1941.
Public opinion held that our entry in WW 1 was a big mistake, and Roosevelt campaigned on the pretext of keeping us out of the war in Europe in 1940.
But he did have a Back Door Theory that would surely change public opinion and greatly enhance our mobilization of the military? This article that a received from a friend definitely thinks so!
I know we have discussed this from time to time before, and going through old bookmarks I ran across this, which I didn’t realize I had!
Did FDR bait the Japanese into attacking the US?
I always enjoy these things because they usually are pretty thought provoking, but lately we’ve beaten the Civil War and Little Bighorn to death.😀
Reon

Our government wanted to go to England's aid but were held back by nonaggression agreements. He managed to put us in the position where Japan would attack. I'm not sure he knew the attack would come at that time but I do think he knew they would at some point declare war and that would bring us to a position where we could openly aid England. FDR was a socialist and extended the depression for at least seven years and made it far harder than it need be on the people all the while convincing them he was helping. That's my story.

The whole thing is a good read. Japan gets mentioned in it.

https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

Even if true, Japan didn't have to attack. And they were cutting a brutal and bloody swath through the Pacific.

Japan was hardly an innocent victim or dupe.

Did FDR provoke the Japs in to attacking us at Pearl Harbor??

I do not know, although I've read about it and listened to the many debates about the question for years.

I do know, however, that I was sitting in our living room with my mother, dad, brother, and one of my uncles the following day, listening to FDR on the radio, speaking before Congress, "Yesterday, December Seventh, 1941, a date that will live in infamy, The Japanese empire attacked .... ", etc. etc.

Long, long ago, but I still remember my mother crying. I had four uncles who would be going off to war. (My dad was 42 years old and did not have to go.)

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Did your uncles make it back home?

I'm amazed that this is even in question, but, people are SO emotionally invested in the propaganda, and the thought that the us Government could never do wrong, and the Japanese attacked us out of the blue, for NO reason at all....

FDR (and Churchill) did everything they could to go to war. FDR did his best to goad Germany into doing something so he would have his pretense for war... but the Germans weren't going for the bait. The Japanese, on the other hand, were found to be more easily agitated to retaliate against the us Governments acts of war.

Japan woke up the sleeping giant

Way before my time. The Old Man was 20 years old and working in a steel mill in Johnstown. Mom was barely out of high school and years from meeting Dad after the war.
But everybody that knows me also knows I’m a history nerd, and I love stuff like this!😎
Reon

Always wondered about Germany if we hadn’t entered the war

Look, all he could do to thwart the carnage in China was to cut off the oil, which he did. Japan chose war over giving up their gains in Manchuria. Nobody knows, maybe FDR believed there was noway the Japanese would choose war with the USA, rather than give up the offensive in China.

That is no different than saying America is trying to bait Russia into attacking us by supplying aid the Ukraine.

Better yet, if Hitler had taken a defensive position in the east, and held off attacking Russia until things in the west had been settled.
Could you imagine invading France if Russia had not depleted Germany’s army, tanks and planes?

Don't disagree. Another "democratic socialist" phoney.

FDR was a snake in the grass . He kept the depression going so he could institute his Socialist Communist agenda . WWII was needed to fill the Industrial War Machines pockets full. In his Biography he admitted to hiring Communists to work in The White House . His wife was thick with the Communist Party . The SAS were all his College Cronies . He makes O`Biden look like a Cub Scout .

Like the left is doing now wid Putin?

His advisors were predominately bolsheviks or heavily influenced by them.

My maternal grandmother had 2 brothers in the Navy stationed at Pearl Harbor when it happened. I remember her saying how scared they were for them back here in the states.

Hey Gayghost and Jell-O and psychodawg and Plumdumb and Jetsam and Houston_2, wasn't that no good POS FDR a no good POS Dimocrap?

Nothing happens in a vacuum. Japan did not just wake up one day and decide to start a war with the US.

If you really want to understand the actual history behind the war, I'd suggest two books for starters: The Imperial Cruise and The China Mirage by James Bradley. Add Korea's Place in the Sun by Bruce Cummings.

You might be surprised how much meddling by the US comes back to bite us in the ass.

My wife's great uncle died in the Pearl Harbor attack on the Arizona.