That's an interesting theology you have. You're saved so you can be a dick and it doesn't matter. That might work on the internet, but if this is how you behave in real life, and some point I suspect your mouth will write a check your body can't cash, and Jesus won't be there to save you.
Flatter yourself, random irrelevant internet atheist with nothing new to add, to think your random irrelevant internet opinion matters........
I wouldn't expect you to even remotely understand any of this. You haven't in the past, you don't now, and it's highly doubtful you will in the future. It's far deeper than your vast "superior intellect" can possibly grasp.
And if you want to try cashing MY check, then step right up and giver your level best......
I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children may live in peace. ~~ Thomas Paine
Ahhh Ringman, there you go, making nonsensical and baseless statements which is not unusual in your case. I never assumed that I was the only person here who has been out on the ocean and I did not allude to that in any way, shape, or form. I wrote "I have an idea you've never been out on the ocean in rough seas." . I know there are not only retired sailors who are members here, but also some of the fishermen here go out onto the oceans to deep sea fish.
It might behoove you to make your insults a bit more cogent.
L.W.
Leanwolf,
I am very sorry offend you. I try to act here just as I would if we were face to face.
I was once hired as a consultant and had lunch with the superintendent where I told him I have trouble with tact. He told me I still have trouble with it, so I must have inadvertently said something inappropriate to him.
Again, I am sorry.
Ringman, no harm, no foul. Thanks for your apology.
L.W.
"Always go straight forward, and if you meet the devil, cut him in two and go between the pieces." (William Sturgis, clipper ship captain, 1830s.)
That's an interesting theology you have. You're saved so you can be a dick and it doesn't matter. That might work on the internet, but if this is how you behave in real life, and some point I suspect your mouth will write a check your body can't cash, and Jesus won't be there to save you.
Flatter yourself, random irrelevant internet atheist with nothing new to add, to think your random irrelevant internet opinion matters........
I wouldn't expect you to even remotely understand any of this. You haven't in the past, you don't now, and it's highly doubtful you will in the future. It's far deeper than your vast "superior intellect" can possibly grasp.
And if you want to try cashing MY check, then step right up and giver your level best......
That's the best part. I don't have to do anything. The combination of your abrasive personality and low impulse control will act as a self correcting mechanism.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
There are several contradictory accounts of the tomb incident.
''There are other discrepancies, but this is enough. I should stress that some of these differences can scarcely be reconciled unless you want to do a lot of imaginative interpretive gymnastics, of the kind fundamentalists love to do, when reading the texts. For example, what does one do with the fact that the women apparently meet different persons at the tomb? In Mark it is one man, in Luke it is two men, and in Matthew it is one angel.
The way this discrepancy is sometimes reconciled,by readers who can’t believe there could be a genuine discrepancy in the text, is by saying that the women actually met two angels at the tomb. Matthew mentions only one of them, but never denies there was a second one; moreover, the angels were in human guise, so Luke claims they were two men; Mark also mistakes the angels as men but mentions only one, not two, without denying there were two. And so the problem is easily solved! But it is solved in a very curious way indeed.
This solution is saying, in effect, that what really happened is what is not narrated by any of the Gospels: for none of them mentions two angels! This way of interpreting the texts does so by writing a new text that is unlike any of the others, so as to reconcile them to one another. You are certainly free to write your own Gospel if that’s what you want to do, but I wonder if that is the best way to interpret the Gospels that you already have.
If the burial account is flawed, so is the rest of the story. A story that was written decades after whatever is described based on stories that were told and retold as the myth grew.
Which is why Paul was not aware of some of the stories of Jesus the man - whom he had never seen in person - that were written in the gospels at a later time.
''No parables of the sheep and the goats, or the prodigal son, or the rich man and Lazarus, or the lost sheep, or the good Samaritan. In fact, no Jesus as teacher at all.
No driving out evil spirits, or healing the invalid at Bethesda, or cleansing the lepers, or raising Lazarus, or other healing miracles. As far as Paul tells us, Jesus performed no miracles at all.
No virgin birth, no Sermon on the Mount, no feeding the 5000, no public ministry, no cleansing the temple, no final words, and no Great Commission. Paul doesn’t even place Jesus within history—there’s nothing to connect Jesus with historical figures like Caesar Augustus, King Herod, or Pontius Pilate.
Perhaps everyone to whom Paul wrote his letters knew all this already? Okay, but presumably they already knew about the crucifixion, and Paul mentions that 13 times. And the resurrection, which Paul mentions 14 times.
Paul indirectly admits that he knew of no Jesus miracles.
Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles (1 Cor. 1:22–3)
Why “a stumbling block”? Jesus did lots of miraculous “signs”—why didn’t Paul convince the Jews with these? Paul apparently didn’t know any.
The Jesus of Paul is not the miracle worker that we see in the Jesus of the gospels.''
Your argument is because there is confliction among witness testimony the bank robbery never happened.
You are an idiot.
A blithering, drooling, mouth breathing, dumbfuuck idiot......
Do you talk to all your Christian brothers this way? Or just your campfire bros?
Just drooling, mouth breathing dumbfuuck idiots.
The ones that earn it......
Such a exemplary Christian like attitude is gonna prevent your elevator from making it to the top floor.
Say your prayers you shameful feral varmit!
Lol
Humans are sinners by their very nature, since the moment they enter this world and remain so their entire lives. Being a saved true believer doesn't make you a non-sinner, just a forgiven one. Your implications suggest that acts are what get you into Heaven, but that's not how it works.
That's the carrot that fuels most cult members, that and fear of the unknown.
Whatever religion you prescribe too is apparently ok with drooling, mouth breathing dumbfugh idiots!
For those without thumbs, it's s Garden fookin Island, not Hawaii
I didn't read the whole thread, so I may or may not be repeating stuff.
The Bible is a Spiritual book, it has history, but isn't a history book per se, isn't even in chronological order. Job is thought to be the oldest book, but isn't first in line.
God created the world. Unlike some I know, the Truth of the Word doesn't have to be filtered thru my understanding. In fact I strive to have the Peace that passes understanding, don't want to get stuck on stupid.
How long The Lord took to create the world doesn't have to be filtered thru my understanding; someday we'll know. In the meantime, we've been given the knowledge we need. It's not our responsibility to fill in the blanks, decide if the Word is correct. Saul was diligent, thinking he was doing good stuff for God, when he encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus. After that "come to Jesus" meeting, he saw the light which changed his paradigm. Even had his name changed to Paul
Now, if the "flat earth" religious crowd of the Middle Ages had been more vigilant reading scripture, they've have found Is 40:42, "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth.." (NIV). They may have learned something instead of burning heretics at the stake (in the name of the Lord, of course)... They may have learned even more reading Job 22:14 and Prov 8:27.
So, IMO, when we assume we have the whole truth from what we know and want to hammer it home, impose it on others, just be careful lest we fall into error.
Nothing worse than a presumptuous "Christian" who thinks he knows it all. I try to avoid those types, don't see anything to be gained, listening to them.
So, how old is the Earth? I don't know, but I know who does. So, therefore I don't have to worry about it.
The Bible’s not a book on Creation Science. The Bible exists to make folks wise for salvation through trust and confidence in Jesus. It’s not supposed to tell us everything about everything. The Bible is really the story about one bloodline ~~ the Messiah’s bloodline.
Where Jesus actually comes to earth and adds humanity over His deity to save the very people who rebelled against Him. That’s what the real story is. Jesus even says that the scriptures are all about Him, and how He is the Redeemer of the world.
The Bible’s not a book on Creation Science. The Bible exists to make folks wise for salvation through trust and confidence in Jesus. It’s not supposed to tell us everything about everything. The Bible is really the story about one bloodline ~~ the Messiah’s bloodline.
Where Jesus actually comes to earth and adds humanity over His deity to save the very people who rebelled against Him. That’s what the real story is. Jesus even says that the scriptures are all about Him, and how He is the Redeemer of the world.
Jesus's blood line, where he knocks up Mary Madeline, she escapes to Southern France and give birth to the Merovingian Dynasty?
The Bible’s not a book on Creation Science. The Bible exists to make folks wise for salvation through trust and confidence in Jesus. It’s not supposed to tell us everything about everything. The Bible is really the story about one bloodline ~~ the Messiah’s bloodline.
Where Jesus actually comes to earth and adds humanity over His deity to save the very people who rebelled against Him. That’s what the real story is. Jesus even says that the scriptures are all about Him, and how He is the Redeemer of the world.
The bible gives an account of how the world was created by God, an account that is falsified by discoveries in science, that the world and universe is far older and vaster than the bible writers could have imagined, that species are not created, but evolve, etc, etc.....
The Bible’s not a book on Creation Science. The Bible exists to make folks wise for salvation through trust and confidence in Jesus. It’s not supposed to tell us everything about everything. The Bible is really the story about one bloodline ~~ the Messiah’s bloodline.
Where Jesus actually comes to earth and adds humanity over His deity to save the very people who rebelled against Him. That’s what the real story is. Jesus even says that the scriptures are all about Him, and how He is the Redeemer of the world.
The bible gives an account of how the world was created by God, an account that is falsified by discoveries in science, that the world and universe is far older and vaster than the bible writers could have imagined, that species are not created, but evolve, etc, etc.....
And if it's wrong about all of this, what else could it be wrong about?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
That's an interesting theology you have. You're saved so you can be a dick and it doesn't matter. That might work on the internet, but if this is how you behave in real life, and some point I suspect your mouth will write a check your body can't cash, and Jesus won't be there to save you.
Flatter yourself, random irrelevant internet atheist with nothing new to add, to think your random irrelevant internet opinion matters........
I wouldn't expect you to even remotely understand any of this. You haven't in the past, you don't now, and it's highly doubtful you will in the future. It's far deeper than your vast "superior intellect" can possibly grasp.
And if you want to try cashing MY check, then step right up and giver your level best......
A good example of the argument from emotion. Well done.
That's an interesting theology you have. You're saved so you can be a dick and it doesn't matter. That might work on the internet, but if this is how you behave in real life, and some point I suspect your mouth will write a check your body can't cash, and Jesus won't be there to save you.
Flatter yourself, random irrelevant internet atheist with nothing new to add, to think your random irrelevant internet opinion matters........
I wouldn't expect you to even remotely understand any of this. You haven't in the past, you don't now, and it's highly doubtful you will in the future. It's far deeper than your vast "superior intellect" can possibly grasp.
And if you want to try cashing MY check, then step right up and giver your level best......
A good example of the argument from emotion. Well done.
Too easy:
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
That's an interesting theology you have. You're saved so you can be a dick and it doesn't matter. That might work on the internet, but if this is how you behave in real life, and some point I suspect your mouth will write a check your body can't cash, and Jesus won't be there to save you.
Flatter yourself, random irrelevant internet atheist with nothing new to add, to think your random irrelevant internet opinion matters........
I wouldn't expect you to even remotely understand any of this. You haven't in the past, you don't now, and it's highly doubtful you will in the future. It's far deeper than your vast "superior intellect" can possibly grasp.
And if you want to try cashing MY check, then step right up and giver your level best......
A good example of the argument from emotion. Well done.
That's an interesting theology you have. You're saved so you can be a dick and it doesn't matter. That might work on the internet, but if this is how you behave in real life, and some point I suspect your mouth will write a check your body can't cash, and Jesus won't be there to save you.
Flatter yourself, random irrelevant internet atheist with nothing new to add, to think your random irrelevant internet opinion matters........
I wouldn't expect you to even remotely understand any of this. You haven't in the past, you don't now, and it's highly doubtful you will in the future. It's far deeper than your vast "superior intellect" can possibly grasp.
And if you want to try cashing MY check, then step right up and giver your level best......
A good example of the argument from emotion. Well done.
Like you should talk.
Yet another sizzling argument. Wow, I feel so overwhelmed.
God has left effects behind that allow us to reason back that He exists, because He is the cause of these effects. The cosmic microwave background radiation provides evidence that our universe had a beginning. God is the best explanation of the way things really are regarding these matters ~ the best explanation of reality regarding these matters. And one of the ways things really are regarding these matters is that the universe was created out of nothing.
There was no space, time, or matter ~ but the entire universe came into existence. And if that’s so, the cause can’t be made of space, time, or matter because space, time, and matter were created. So the cause must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial ~ and personal.
Personal because to choose to create something is necessary to go from nothingness to a state of creation. And only persons can make choices. Impersonal forces don’t make choices. Gravity (for example) doesn’t decide to do things; gravity just does what it does over and over and over again. An impersonal force does not have the ability to make decisions. This is an attribute of persons, not impersonal forces.
Regardless of how old it all is, God created the universe.
God is the best explanation of the way things really are regarding these matters
No. Any explanation including magic works just as well.
Originally Posted by antlers
the universe was created out of nothing.
Not exactly. The Big Bang is the hot dense phase from with the Universe appeared to sort of burst forth from 13.8 billion years ago, but there was a phase before that:
Originally Posted by antlers
There was no space, time, or matter ~ but the entire universe came into existence.[\quote] Not necessarily, see above.
[quote=antlers]And if that’s so, the cause can’t be made of space, time, or matter because space, time, and matter were created. So the cause must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial
Your cosmology's 50 years out of date.
Originally Posted by antlers
Personal because to choose to create something is necessary to go from nothingness to a state of creation. And only persons can make choices. [\quote] Nope, dogs and cats can make choices.
[quote=antlers]Impersonal forces don’t make choices. Gravity (for example) doesn’t decide to do things; gravity just does what it does over and over and over again. An impersonal force does not have the ability to make decisions. This is an attribute of persons, not impersonal forces.
You have no evidence the universe resulted from the conscious choice of a sentient being, and nothing in the physics requires it.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
As we’ve clearly seen, the most active atheists here are not honest about the REAL reason that they deny the existence of God. The motivation for their disbelief…as we’ve clearly seen…has nothing to do with evidence or science or logic or reason, or truth.
“It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, hope that I’m right in my belief. It’s that I hope there is no God…! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that. - Thomas Nagel, renowned philosopher and atheist
As we’ve clearly seen, the most active atheists here are not honest about the REAL reason that they deny the existence of God. The motivation for their disbelief…as we’ve clearly seen…has nothing to do with evidence or science or logic or reason, or truth.
“It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, hope that I’m right in my belief. It’s that I hope there is no God…! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that. - Thomas Nagel, renowned philosopher and atheist
At least Thomas Nagel is honest about it.
There are no 'activist atheists' here. Whatever you believe is your own business. Just that claims made on a public forum can be questioned. That's what you are getting here. Your questionable claims are being questioned.
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