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Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying but Israel has never been destroyed. Yes, the early tribes of Israel were scattered after the reign of King Solomon and didn't become a world recognized nation until 1948. But they were never destroyed. Judah, one of the original 12 Tribes was separated or if you believe the Bible, was set aside to remain in Jerusalem while the remainder were to be scattered throughout the known world. Eventually, whether you believe Bible history or not, it is historically a fact that Judah was conquered due to poor (from a biblical point of view - ungodly) leadership of kings. Taken into captivity? Yes. Destroyed? Never.

Jerusalem was conquered beginning with the Babylonian Empire and while it was rebuilt multiple times it was torn down multiple times. The main emphasis of "destroyed" has to do with the Temple and the city walls, not the people. If you go to the Old City of Jerusalem (yes I have several times and no I am not Jewish) you will see the remnants of centuries of walls being built on top of ruins. But Jerusalem has never been "utterly destroyed" as you eloquently put it.

Over many centuries, Jerusalem has been occupied by Medo-Persians, Greeks, Romans, and Muslims to name a few. Believe what you will but in the Book of Daniel, written around 164 BCE, you can read how the conquering of Jerusalem would occur but would never be annihilated. Oh, and those predictions came hundreds of years before most of those events took place. Coincidence or somehow spiritually protected??? Each individual has to make that choice for themselves.

Even today, in Jerusalem you will find the Muslim Quarters, the Armenian Quarters, the Jewish Quarters and the Christian Quarters. A remnant of centuries of occupations. Yet Jerusalem still stands. So, no my friend, if you are saying Israel and Jerusalem was destroyed you are absolutely misinformed. Semantics? Maybe for you, but in this case semantics mean something for the future.

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No, it is you who are misinformed. The Kingdom of Israel was comprised of the so-called ten lost tribes of Israel. It was the so-called Northern Kingdom. The so-called Southern Kingdom was Judah. Israel was completely destroyed and the tribes completely lost. That is why they are to this day known as the “Lost tribes of Israel.”

And yes, Jerusalem itself was almost completely razed in the Siege of A.D 70. Virtually nothing remained. The Romans killed and/or sold into slavery almost every single person within the city. The Romans did not do half measures. Josephus said that the city "was so thoroughly razed to the ground by those that demolished it to its foundations, that nothing was left that could ever persuade visitors that it had once been a place of habitation."

Sixty years later the Romans built a new city on the ruins called Aelia Capitolina. This was a thoroughly pagan city for retired Roman Soldiers from the region. The earliest ruins go back to this period. Virtually nothing remains from earlier except for things like the Pool of Siloam which had silted up during the period of ruin.

All of the alleged Christian sites go back no further than to the reign of Constantine when his mother traveled there and had locals tell her where these things happened. Some of the sites might be correct but some undoubtedly are not as that anyone alive who would have known was killed or scattered in AD 70 and the sites destroyed. So any oral traditions about these sites were lost and could only date back to one hundred years or so after the time of Christ at the earliest.

I am guessing a bunch of stuff gets launched back at them.

If Daniel had contact with king Nebuchadnezzar, then the book could NOT have been written in the 2nd C BC....... assuming it was written by Daniel.

Like I said. According to your gospel, the Zionists will burn in hell, being God's will and all. Maybe sooner too if their arrogant stupidity persists. If not, expect even more cruise ships heading to Fort Lauderdale. Jews love it down there! Brooklyn is about full up and NY City gives illegals more these days, far as free [bleep] goes. Got it, Reverend ?

First off, I enjoy this discussion and I did read what you wrote with an open mind. Next, no, I am not misinformed. The Kingdom of Israel (not the race of people) begins with the reign of King Saul. They were 12 tribes yet one nation under the rule of Saul. The nation however was constantly harassed and attacked by the Philistines (ancestors to current Palestinians) among others, until David took over as king. Under his rule, war was still prevalent but greatly reduced. By the time King Solomon took over, history shows that the Kingdom of Israel enjoyed more freedom, peace and prosperity than anytime in the past or to date.

After Solomon, the kingdom was split in two factions. Judea remained in Jerusalem for a period of time. The remaining 10 tribes (Levi was the exception since it did not own territory) were scattered and taken into slavery and other forms of captivity. Thus your 10 Lost Tribes. It depends on where your belief system is whether you think they are gone forever or displaced. If you give credence to biblical writings then according to Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Ezekiel they will come back as a nation in Israel. In Revelation we see 12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes will be re-gathered. A re-gathering can not happen to a group that has been utterly destroyed. Again, it is what you put credence to.

You put stock into what Josephus wrote but please remember that some historical opinions believe Josephus was a traitor to Jerusalem and Israel - making a pact with the Roman government for his own safety. But in this case, I think he wrote essentially what he "may" have perceived. Perception though is not always reality. By the way, many of his writings are interesting.

We agree on the historical account of the Roman city Aelia Capitolina. But it wasn't a new city - it was a rebuilt Jerusalem called by another name i.e. "A Rose by any other name is still a Rose". I also agree 100% that many of the "holy sites" are only holy because of the revenue they take in. They are the creation of the Roman Catholic Church dating back to Constantine. All you have to do is study the site and then the historical account and realize, "that just doesn't make sense".

I'm torn in believing that the Pool of Siloam is all that is left of Jesus time. The old street below Fortress Antonia of today (historically the location where the original fortress was) has what is said by archeologist to be the original Via Dolorosa. I have seen this and certainly can't dispute it. The Gihon Springs continues to be uncovered and the cave system (yes, I have been in it) looks like it will end up underneath the Temple Mount. If you know - this means it is Hezekiah's Tunnel and will prove without a doubt Israel's rightful ownership of the Temple Mount. That is a whole nother can of worms.

But, the bottom line is, I don't see how it can be said that Israel or Jerusalem was utterly destroyed or annihilated - when at no time in history is that true - even during Roman occupation.

You are 100% correct. That is the dilemma and discussion among Bible Theologians. I should have said "could have been written as early as..." If you assume it was written by Daniel, it had to be written around the 6th Century during the life of Daniel, Babylonian Empire and King Nebuchadnezzar. Critics will argue that it may have been written as late as the second century which makes it written after many of the events of the Persian and Greek Empire. The Armenian and Hellenistic language does make the 2nd Century writing compelling. Either way, the very fact and it is a fact that the predictions did come to pass even beyond the Persian and Greek Empires is without argument at least to be considered.

Without getting all biblical - Deuteronomy 18:21-22 sums it up pretty well. And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken? When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken...

Are you speaking this to me???? Cause my friend if you are you can GFY - is that reverend enough for you - LMAO.

Yeah, you’re just wrong.

OK - tell me more - LMAO

Easy, israels, ours and anyone elses missle defense system would be completely overwhelmed and would be useless. Iran knows this and they have the ability to do this

Jerusalem ceased to exist as a city by any name for sixty odd years. It was uninhabited.

Israel was the name of the northern kingdom. It’s gone and has been for quite some time.

I’m not a Darbyite.

Doan worry.. Weak jo already gave them the money to pay for the missiles....
He won't do nuffin but tax Americans more

Who's talking to you.Loser?

Bingo!

And what better way than to suck in all the so called conservatives is to use the israel card. That gets our side all hot and bothered lol. Mention them and all thought stops

Agreed.

Interesting that he used BCE instead of BC in his post also. Either a copy/paste off the ‘net or ?