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I like Walter Williams but he got that wrong. It is never as cut and dried as it is stated by the "lost cause" crowd that we-wrote history. At the time our nation was divided among slave states and non-slave states. The great issue at that time was the "New Territories". There were great debates over them being admitted. The slave states demanded they be allowed to b admitted as slave states. They wanted to grow slavery. Another argument keeping them from staying in the union was the non slave states and escaped slaves. The south wanted the northern non slave states to honor their property rights. They also wanted to use the slave's census as a battering ram to gain power in congress. It's a sort of twisted scenario of what we're going through today with illegal migrants being admitted to the voting rolls. Slaves had not rights to vote. They actually had no rights at all. This has been beat to death and though Lincoln and the Republican party did go around the original intent of states rights in a way they were forced to by the circumstances. Be careful what you wish for because if the states had managed to get their way there would be no America as we know it today. England and France were praying for the south to win because it would've split the states and allowed them to come in and take property. The southern slave states could've kept their slaves and remained but it was ruled that no new territories would be admitted as slave states. What property were England and France going to take? Reference? America as we know it today? Which parts would you lament the loss of? Lincoln and Republicans were "forced to", so that would be "necessity" which is best defined in politics as "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
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Jeb had a long trip he was weary give the man creditđ It is interesting how all the other participants had somehow come to Gettysburg all rested and freshâŚ
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âCome on you Wolverinesâ! Words that should live in history! I knew you would head to East Cavalry Field, being a fellow Custerphile! I wish my Dad was still around. He and I thought GAC an egotistical rectum who lead 5 companies to their doom to get his name in the paper. But since I have read into the history, I have come to admire âThe Boy General With The Golden Locksâ. I wish Dad would have come to know him as I have. 600 Michigan Cavalry against 4000 of Stuartâs best, and stopped them cold! And he always led from the front! âFollow me,â never go here or do this it was âCome on you Wolverinesâ! I hope you and your wife will enjoy your visit. Your treading hallowed ground. There ainât a place on that Battlefield that doesnât speak for itself! If maybe I did die there, it was a life well spent! I can honestly tell you, that every time I leave to come home, I somehow feel like Iâm leaving part of me behind.
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When you stop by the Devils Den I believe the Sharpshooterâs hide is currently fenced off (it was last summer) for restoration. The same signage and famous photograph is still there explaining it was faked. James C Grove argues convincingly it was not. http://www.jamescgroves.com/henry/hcp1a.htmSee if you can make out the impact fracture on the front of one of the boulders from that New York artillery Parrot rifle on Little Round Top shooting back. My cheap rangefinder said it was 550 yards from the hide to one of the big monuments on LRT, the guy was hitting Union artillery guys from that range. Also something to look for, the pile of boulders maybe 60 yards flanking LRT on the left of the Union line. Hidden by woods today, more open field of fire at the time. About 15 Sharpshooters there with their 1858 Sharps rifles were pouring as many as nine rounds per minute each into Oateâs already exhausted Alabama troopâs right flank as they went up against Chamberlainâs 20th Maine. Besides the fact that they were attacking with empty canteens after a 25 mile forced march in the heat, that galling fire on their flank by skilled marksmen must have had an effect generally overlooked in most accounts.
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I was stationed at Ft Meade Maryland , before I was shipped to Nam, I was able to visit most of the memorials, the National Cemetery, the White House, and numerous battlefields, I cannot express my feelings to this day.
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When you stop by the Devils Den I believe the Sharpshooterâs hide is currently fenced off (it was last summer) for restoration. The same signage and famous photograph is still there explaining it was faked. James C Grove argues convincingly it was not. http://www.jamescgroves.com/henry/hcp1a.htmSee if you can make out the impact fracture on the front of one of the boulders from that New York artillery Parrot rifle on Little Round Top shooting back. My cheap rangefinder said it was 550 yards from the hide to one of the big monuments on LRT, the guy was hitting Union artillery guys from that range. Also something to look for, the pile of boulders maybe 60 yards flanking LRT on the left of the Union line. Hidden by woods today, more open field of fire at the time. About 15 Sharpshooters there with their 1858 Sharps rifles were pouring as many as nine rounds per minute each into Oateâs already exhausted Alabama troopâs right flank as they went up against Chamberlainâs 20th Maine. Besides the fact that they were attacking with empty canteens after a 25 mile forced march in the heat, that galling fire on their flank by skilled marksmen must have had an effect generally overlooked in most accounts. People today are fools if they think âyellow journalismâ is a newly discovered media source. Misrepresentation to make a point has been alive as long as there have been 2 opinions⌠From Birdwatchers link: A Popular Notion
I have since discovered that many Civil War authors since 1975 who are current with established thinking have picked up on this "the body was a common soldier moved up-hill' theory and carried it into their own books. Other authors do not use the photo, I suppose because of its' "faked" and thereby worthless nature. Some excellent CW artists have also examined the photos and carried away visual information for their works. Still, no CW artist would dare portray the "sharpshooter" at his "home" as a genuine happening. That belief would be taboo and solidly against current CW religion. Further, when asked, CW Re-enactors will tell you the body is that of a Georgian, Texan, or Alabamian infantryman-but never a sharpshooter.
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Try to get to Dwight Eisenhowerâs house if you get a chance.
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Former life of mine died there
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Welcome to Pa, Kirk.
If you travel west on US 30 or the Turnpike let me know. Iâll buy you a coffee and shake your hand.
I know you and Reon are getting together, holler if he drags you this way. I donât know where that isâŚ
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IIRC The link I put up has been active for at least 20 years. I am happy to learn that the artist himself is still alive and painting. http://www.jamescgroves.com/gallery.htmHere is his painting of Little Round Top as seen from the Confederate side. Even more obvious back then than it is today what constituted âgood groundâ. It says a lot about what a near thing Gettysburg was that the Army of the Potomac finally had the manpower on hand to occupy LRT literally moments before the ANV assault. A major âwhat ifâ; what if Longstreet hadnât insisted on waiting so long to attack on that long afternoon of Day 2? And how frustrating for Hood, knowing the Union artillery park and supply line lay just beyond that vacant hill, but being denied permission to attack.
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Longstreetâs flank march took so long to get into position because the staff officer who reconnoitered the route got lost, but didnât know it. He was supposed to lead the column along a route that was terrain masked from Federal view, but the route he said would work wouldnât.
A lot of the vitriol directed at Longstreet comes from the fact that he became a Republican after the war.
I have an annual tradition of re-reading Guelzoâs âGettysburg: The Last Invasionâ every June. Itâs so beautifully written and pro-American. An unusual thing in todayâs world.
It also does a good job sorting out some of the heroes and goats.
As a veteran, whenever I read about the Civil War, all I can think is that these battles would have been totally different if each army had three PRC-19âs or even a couple of sets of black gear.
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Longstreetâs flank march took so long to get into position because the staff officer who reconnoitered the route got lost, but didnât know it. He was supposed to lead the column along a route that was terrain masked from Federal view, but the route he said would work wouldnât.
A lot of the vitriol directed at Longstreet comes from the fact that he became a Republican after the war.
I have an annual tradition of re-reading Guelzoâs âGettysburg: The Last Invasionâ every June. Itâs so beautifully written and pro-American. An unusual thing in todayâs world.
It also does a good job sorting out some of the heroes and goats.
As a veteran, whenever I read about the Civil War, all I can think is that these battles would have been totally different if each army had three PRC-19âs or even a couple of sets of black gear. Walkie talkies or similar communication would have changed the war completelyâŚ
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Welcome to Pa, Kirk.
If you travel west on US 30 or the Turnpike let me know. Iâll buy you a coffee and shake your hand.
I know you and Reon are getting together, holler if he drags you this way. I donât know where that is⌠Bedford County Maybe 70 miles west on 30. Walkie Talkies, heck yeah. Iâve contemplated the $$$ value for smart phones in WWII. Google maps alone would have been priceless. Even just a calculator app. Real time communication with GPS? Game changer, bigger than the bomb. That device would have won the war for whoever had it. Itâs not sexy, but info wins wars. More than anything.
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Signs showing where various Confederate regiments were positioned at the start was interesting. Not sure I found the one my old friend's grandfather was in before he was killed. A very eerie sensation standing with those signs hidden behind the tree line. I'm super critical of Lee and the Southern leadership over no strategic vision. This battle was a huge blunder. But, respectful of Lee's thinking, based upon his former successes, he believed he could destroy the army of the Potomac and end the war. It did but not as imagined. All the enormous memorials attest to the deep and solemn regard all Americans held for those who fought and died. I kept wondering if the Cancel Culture bolsheviks would tear them all down.
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While facing the confederates on top by copse of trees, they say the bombardment was nearly 3 round every second hitting the hill top and smoke so thick you couldnât see. Evidently it made the Confederates misjudge the line on top of the hill and they fired over the hill due to the lack of visual contactâŚ
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It's on my bucket list along with a tour of Europe for the ww2 sites.
As for the confederate monuments, they should stay. It's history, whether dark or not, it's our history. I would say we could learn from it but folks nowadays are too stupid This is well said. I have no problem with Confederate History being displayed. When I was younger and stationed at Kessler AFB for electronics training, I visited the "Confederate whitehouse". I remember walking out into the back yard where several soldiers had ben buried and was jolted to see all the confederate flags posted over the bodies. History should be like that, a reminder of what has happened in our past, be it glorious or dubious. And I completely agree, England and France would have invaded and gobble dup as much as they could, changing world history back to Socialist slavery (without there U.S. I doubt WW2 would have ended in an allied victory and Hitler and Stalin might still be alive today, lording it over us.
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Rain sporatic, 54° , but should be a good day otherwise for ya. Im bout 25 miles east of ya, gettin ready to leave work and take a quick nap. Headin to Emmitsburg this evenin for a little party with some friends. Hope you enjoy your time spent here!!
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Welcome to Pa, Kirk.
If you travel west on US 30 or the Turnpike let me know. Iâll buy you a coffee and shake your hand.
I know you and Reon are getting together, holler if he drags you this way. I donât know where that is⌠Bedford County Maybe 70 miles west on 30. Walkie Talkies, heck yeah. Iâve contemplated the $$$ value for smart phones in WWII. Google maps alone would have been priceless. Even just a calculator app. Real time communication with GPS? Game changer, bigger than the bomb. That device would have won the war for whoever had it. Itâs not sexy, but info wins wars. More than anything. Gene Kranz, Chief Flight Director at NASA, spoke to my company several years ago about the space program in general, Apollo 13 in specific. At one point he held up a cell phone and made the comment that that phone had more computing power than all the equipment at NASA during the Apollo missions, combined. P
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