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Or a Leupold

But elk aren’t terrorists and we aren’t Marine snipers—but I see too often where people pretend it is so. A hunter isn’t a heavily supported team in the field, among other things.

I don’t mean to pick on you FS, but it’s a trend that can come back to haunt hunting.

So what brand/model is the scope you posted the pic of?

Window lickers wanna know……

What trend are we talking about?

FFP simply connects the most dots to arrange POA/POI,whether holdover,holdunder,movers and/or atmospherics. Hint.

Your favorite book or movie have less than zero bearing. Hint…………

Animated targets.

This...

I have both FFP and SFP scopes on various hunting rifles. I have sent down the road a couple FFP scopes that I liked , except that their reticle quite frankly sucked for big game hunting when on lower powers, unfortunately I see that a lot on FFP scopes, at least to my eyes, YMMV.

Also before anyone says it, no, I'm not going to walk around all day with the illumination turned on, you shouldn't have to do that if the reticle is worth a crap.

I've never felt at a disadvantage on a long range shot at a game animal with a SFP scope, but I have felt that way in close cover with a FFP scope. My largest desert muley was killed at 50 ft, moving, in wide open country, I'm glad I was using a SFP scope that day.

Season before last I killed an elk at 515 yds with a SFP scope, this season I killed an elk at 485 yds with a FFP scope. I never felt an advantage or disadvantage with the scope used either time.

I like FFP scopes, and I see their merits, but I'm very picky on the reticle. That said, I don't see the overstated disadvantage to SFP scopes for big game hunting that the die hard FFP fan club carry on about.

For other activities, targets, competition etc. I can see and agree where one would be more clearly suited over the other.

Bill

Cute, "Elk aren't terrorists", I can see how self amusing it would be to type that.

There is no trend here. There is no comparing hunting to like becoming a Sniper or other military badass. This is about the way and the basis of the decision to go FFP was made by professionals in the know. I like traditional FFP euro scopes with a good bold German #4 reticle with no tactical crap on it, now that's a trend that been going a long time that I support.

Big Stick keeps us amused with his antics here, but the dude knows his stuff through experience and trial and error. When he shares information, it is typically quality. He shared this here:

"FFP simply connects the most dots to arrange POA/POI,whether holdover,holdunder,movers and/or atmospherics."

This is the logic used by professionals also.

I could give a flying fuuck what snipers use, and it isn't part of the discussion anyway......


Your quote that I was responding to:


The need for precision and accuracy is the ultimate requirement in BR shooting.

Good luck holding the X ring on a 1K target with a FFP.....

Rather than Hurt Feeler Reports,simply cite the subtension you deem requisite. Hint.

Or simply add more punctuation. Hint.

Just sayin’…….

Amen. It's always about using the right tool for the job.

Hey...I like this new Like' tab.

your diapers probably wet... ya may wanna change it....

just sayin.....

HINT.

I like to see images of FFP reticles at both low power close range and high power long range. Many seem unacceptable to me.

I hear of good ones mentioned but seldom named. Would love to see the short list.

Which "smart" reticle configurations are the favorites for those that hunt and need a scope that's versatile at all distances, without necessarily relying on illumination?

Although I like a lit dot even in SFP.

It would be fun if I could design the reticle.

Game populations across the Country would explode if they took away range finders and scopes from all you great white hunters. Poor stumpy couldn't find his dick without magnification.

Just not sure I want to know how you know the size of his dick?

She's a Prick Looker of repute,glued to my EVERY word and Splendid Pixel,along with her Diaper Dreaming Brokedick Bed Pan Polishing cohort. Between them,they couldn't summons a down payment on a good scope. Hint.



If only for conversation,the stadia crosshair intersection on a "lowly" 5-20x HD FFP MQ,covers only 1.8" at 1000yds. I missed where the "X-ring's" sizing was cited. Hint.

Just sayin'..............

There's nobody on the planet that uses a 20X at a 100/200 BR match, let alone at 1K....double hint......

Rather than Hurt Feeler Reports,simply cite the subtension you deem requisite. Hint.

Or simply add more punctuation. Hint.

Just sayin’…….

This one?

It's a SFP 10-60x52 March with a .093 dot.
.125 MOA clicks.
At about 40x in the pic.
Coyote target at 1000 yards.
We hold when we can and click when we must.
I've tried my 5-25x56 PMll .with the P3 Mil-Dot reticle.
Love it on the coyotes.
But the coyote target isn't the only thing we have to worry about.
We have a crow target pretty much a life size crow at 850.
The P3 covers it up with just a touch of white At each corner.
And clicking in mils takes you from one side of the crow to the other.
It's not ideal situation.
Plus the PMII weighs about 10 oz more than the March.
I put the weight in the barrel...



dave

The logic is sound, you don't need to be a wanna be fkn operator, running around like an idiot dressed up in the latest fkn KIT like some goofy ass PRS twat