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I hope you and Dianne enjoy your visit. Antietam can bring the ghost to life as well, but for whatever the reason, Gettysburg really does something to me that I canā€™t quite explain.
Hopefully youā€™ll get to see Fredericksburg and Manasses, maybe Petersburg as well. I know youā€™ll be pressed for time.
Heck, maybe another trip next year!šŸ˜€ Theres a lot of history to see here!
But even for a few days, itā€™s time well spent.
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Burnside Bridge, Antietam Creekā€¦


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My ppls was just ovr the hill from there defending cemetery hill thank god APHill showed upšŸ‘

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Never went to Gettysburg, but have been to Ft. Donelson, Manassass and Spotsylvania Courthouse battle fields. Sobering places to visit.

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I am..........disturbed.

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Originally Posted by Q_Sertorius
Longstreetā€™s flank march took so long to get into position because the staff officer who reconnoitered the route got lost, but didnā€™t know it. He was supposed to lead the column along a route that was terrain masked from Federal view, but the route he said would work wouldnā€™t.

A lot of the vitriol directed at Longstreet comes from the fact that he became a Republican after the war.

Iā€™m aware of the post-war condemnation of Longstreet at the time by the Lost Cause faction and long dismissed it as unfounded. Iā€™ve been a Longstreet fan, still am, and find it no wonder that him and Grant were good friends, before and after the war.

Reading deeper into the topic of Gettysburg however, IMHO Longstreetā€™s lack of enthusiasm for Leeā€™s plan permeates all his actions that day, beginning well before the fumbling counter march that afternoon (which was no fault of Longstreetā€™s).

From ā€œThe Second Day at Gettysburgā€ (2016 Schultz & Mingus)

Much has been written about the late hour Longstreet began what would be a meandering march to the armyā€™s right flank, and the opening of his assault. In all likelihood, we will never fully understand or agree why this aspect of the battle evolved as it did. We do know that General Lee knew of Longstreetā€™s desire to wait for Law and reluctantly agreed. Lawā€™s brigade did not leave New Guilford, almost 25 miles away near Fayetteville, until 3 AM. Even with the relentless, uninterrupted march, Lawā€™s 1900 men could not cross South Mountain and reach the battlefield before 1pm and Longstreet knew this when he visited Lee that morningā€¦.

Union troops continued reach the field during these intervening hours, so any increase Lawā€™s Brigade contributed to the attack was more than offset by enemy arrivals. Longstreet did not send Porter Alexander south on yet another reconnaissance to seek a route for his artillery until after 9am, which means Longstreet could not have expected Alexander to return much before 11am. Whatever the caseā€¦ while waiting for Lawā€™s Brigade to arrive from New Guilfordā€¦. the timing of Leeā€™s initial morning plan collapsedā€¦

There was no viable reason, however, for Longstreet to keep the men he did have on hand marking time, and yet that is precisely what he did. His divisions under Hood and McLaws did not march a step toward their jump-off positions. Instead they spent several hours sitting atop Herrā€™s Ridgeā€¦
( and would later contribute to the turn-around traffic jam.)


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Originally Posted by MichiGun
Originally Posted by Joel/AK
It's on my bucket list along with a tour of Europe for the ww2 sites.

As for the confederate monuments, they should stay. It's history, whether dark or not, it's our history. I would say we could learn from it but folks nowadays are too stupid
This is well said. I have no problem with Confederate History being displayed. When I was younger and stationed at Kessler AFB for electronics training, I visited the "Confederate whitehouse". I remember walking out into the back yard where several soldiers had ben buried and was jolted to see all the confederate flags posted over the bodies.

History should be like that, a reminder of what has happened in our past, be it glorious or dubious. And I completely agree, England and France would have invaded and gobble dup as much as they could, changing world history back to Socialist slavery (without there U.S. I doubt WW2 would have ended in an allied victory and Hitler and Stalin might still be alive today, lording it over us.
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Originally Posted by Joel/AK
It's on my bucket list along with a tour of Europe for the ww2 sites.

As for the confederate monuments, they should stay. It's history, whether dark or not, it's our history. I would say we could learn from it but folks nowadays are too stupid
This is well said. I have no problem with Confederate History being displayed. When I was younger and stationed at Kessler AFB for electronics training, I visited the "Confederate whitehouse". I remember walking out into the back yard where several soldiers had ben buried and was jolted to see all the confederate flags posted over the bodies.

History should be like that, a reminder of what has happened in our past, be it glorious or dubious. And I completely agree, England and France would have invaded and gobble dup as much as they could, changing world history back to Socialist slavery (without there U.S. I doubt WW2 would have ended in an allied victory and Hitler and Stalin might still be alive today, lording it over us.



Eisenhower didnā€™t protect and force everyone possible to view concentration camps as an endorsement of them, or what happened.

Not many big events in history are white or black.
Nothing big happens cleanly, itā€™s important to memorialize them. Then let them stand for the lessons to be learned.

Wrote more, erased it.
Dont want to derail Shraps good thread with WWII stuff.
The day Virginia took down a statue of Lee I felt a huge loss. If I was a Virginian, Iā€™d likely cried.
No Rebs in my family at that time, but itā€™s my history.
My country, a big moment in itā€™s existence.
Actually honor and respect the man for the terrible decision he had to make. It was not a lark, wasnā€™t easy. He struggled greatly with which side to choose.


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Longstreet pussyfooted around that and lack of coordination with APHill doomed us

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Antietam cornfield, controlled 6 times North to Southā€¦



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Originally Posted by rainshot
I like Walter Williams but he got that wrong. It is never as cut and dried as it is stated by the "lost cause" crowd that we-wrote history. At the time our nation was divided among slave states and non-slave states. The great issue at that time was the "New Territories". There were great debates over them being admitted. The slave states demanded they be allowed to b admitted as slave states. They wanted to grow slavery. Another argument keeping them from staying in the union was the non slave states and escaped slaves. The south wanted the northern non slave states to honor their property rights. They also wanted to use the slave's census as a battering ram to gain power in congress. It's a sort of twisted scenario of what we're going through today with illegal migrants being admitted to the voting rolls. Slaves had not rights to vote. They actually had no rights at all.
This has been beat to death and though Lincoln and the Republican party did go around the original intent of states rights in a way they were forced to by the circumstances. Be careful what you wish for because if the states had managed to get their way there would be no America as we know it today. England and France were praying for the south to win because it would've split the states and allowed them to come in and take property. The southern slave states could've kept their slaves and remained but it was ruled that no new territories would be admitted as slave states.
This post is nicely thought and said, but does not show that Walter Williams was wrong in his evidence and analysis. Yes, had the intended concept of state power and rights been honored and secession taken place, this country probably would have developed differently, and might be very different than it is and has been. Then again, couldn't we now imagine something better than what we now have? It's history, but I think WW's reasoning is correct.


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Originally Posted by earlybrd
Did ya make it to the sunkin rd?



Today. From the road in the field it can still hide hundreds of people from viewā€¦


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John b Gordon dam near bled out there bullet hole in his cap saved him

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Thanks for this fine thread. I grew up less than 100 miles from Gettysburg and have visited and studied/restudied the place many times, especially when much younger. It is a wonderful monument to many things, I am deeply touched upon each visit, may never be there again, but would go in a heartbeat if opportune.

It is good the see that shrapnel is there and taking in so much. Well done.


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Iā€™ve been there several times. Very emotional place if you love people and history. I think the fact that General Thomas Jonathan ā€œStonewallā€ Jackson was killed before the battle at Gettysburg probably changed the way the battle turned out. He would have taken the high ground when Gemeral Lee ordered it. Antietam is another place you should visit. Also an emotional place.

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Planning my first trip up there in the next couple weeks. I appreciate everyones posts about what to do and see!

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Pete was wearing slippers that day, having injured his foot earlier in the campaign when ā€œHeroā€ had slipped and fell on it.
Imagine a Corps commander in the Confederate Army wearing slippers while he and members of his staff, are serving a 12 pounder which cannoneers had already been killed in combat!šŸ˜Ž
Iā€™m gonna have Mike back me up, as I know he remembers the story better than I.
Longstreet and several others were on foot, scoping out what was in front of them.
IIRC, D H Hill joined them on horseback, and as mounted soldiers often drew cannon fire, was told to dismount.
He refused, and a Yankee gun fired from 3/4s of a mile away. ā€œThat one is for you, General Hillā€ said Pete, and no sooner were the words spoken when a solid shot removed the front legs from Hillā€™s horse!
Leonidas Polk was killed at Kennesaw Mountain by a well placed shot from a 10 Pounder Parrot rifle from a mile away! Legend has it that after the gunner had lined up the sight, he offered the lanyard to General Sherman!
That Civil War artillery was both accurate and deadly!


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lil Mac ovr estimated Bobby Lee that day

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