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Further, I'm not sure what to make of all these "allusions" to this thread going "downhill".

Quite simply, (when it apparantly got heavy for some), I suggested Marc support his big Customer service policy on the same thread he is allowed to propogate all the other aspects of his products' virtues.

He chose to decline and berate. To that point, I was rather congenial and willing to negotiate his firm's virtues.

The guys that suggest this thread went "downhill" because someone stood up to Taylor's suggestions, should consider paying for their very own wiggy-only mb.

I was polite, made an offer commensurate with the espoused guarantee that the gear salesman rides on, and received the exact attitude that anyone can expect.

map, sorry that all above is liable to upset your little tummy. Perhaps, your pediatrician can give something for it.

Are you in Wyoming?

I'm not here to place judgement on anyone's intentions. If they say they're looking for answers, then that's what I'll assume they're after until I read proof to the contrary. The first few pages of this thread were OK, and had some good honest feedback by guys with bag experience. If the thread had died there, it would have been perfectly fine, AND the first time a Wiggys thread ended well.

I realize as much as ANYONE how hard it is to post a comment and make it sound like I'd want it to in a FTF conversation, so I keep that in mind when reading the posts of others. This backpacking section is my favorite part of the Campfire, and I'd prefer to see the pissing matches contained to the political section of this site-----------although I still don't see their place on an outdoor forum either, but I digress......

Let's move on OK?

I shall be pleased when downhill trends in threads are the result of negative opinions on Valandre, WM, ID, etc.

It doesn't take a kifaru junky to call dogsch!t what it is.

Sorry, again, map. I'll quit posting so you have time to wipe it off.....

O.K. Fine. We'll all move on.

I prefer this forum over others, as well. Still, I'm not one to stay silent against false information; a rather fair stance on this forum.

Really? No one care to acknowledge that Taylor shyed away from defending the suggested failure of his bag?

Hey Chawn, I sent you a PM about tents.

Chawn, GOOD NEWS my little tummy quit aching and I got all
the tears wiped from my eyes. And I have a question for you.

1. Do you own or have you ever owned a wiggy's sleeping bag?

If you have state why you do or don't like it.

Now I know I am new to this forum, but however I had no ideal
that the subject of this post would cause so much turmoil.

On the first page of this post someone posted what a can-o-worms
I have opened, and I believe it was Mark Taylor but I am not sure.

You have not offended me until the last 3 or 4 pages. I hope I haven't offended you. But you act like I have said something out of line, now if I have I would like to know what I said. Now all the info posted was useful to a certain extent I just could have done without all the name calling. Now if Wiggy's truely does not stand behind their product I would not be interested in doing any buisness with them or support any of their products. Please reply and speak freely I am asking for it.

thanks
map

I'd just like to say you granolas have some really good information to share .....just kiddin' kutenay.

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Fires burn out if fuel isn't added..... [/quote]

But apparently Lamilite burns FOREVER.

I know Marc casually, have been in the store on three or so occasions since its opening.......I do not have Wiggy's gear, I'm a Big Agnes
user.....my wife would fight you over her Wiggy's camp booties, and my Blue Heeler, T-Bone, well, you won't take his Wiggy's camp pillow, if he's looking.

I was in the store in Anchorage when a guy brought, what appeared to be a new bag(Wiggy"s)back as he was dissatisfied with the loft after washing.....Marc chatted w/the customer, who was less than polite, and the gent walked out of the store with a new bag, no charge, and a smile on his face.

I've got no dog in this fight...from my limited time around him, he appears to be more than fair...I'm gonna try a Wiggy's bag after I get over my present interest in quilts........my present quilt(kind of a bag)is synthetic, weighs 19oz and is good down to
35* or so.......all of my backpacking bags are down bags......I've never seen a goose hypothermic from getting his down wet, & that's good enough for me:~) I've been using down safely since 1962......

Joe

Really? You own all those Wiggy bags? I know you bought the Mountain Hunter from Taylor but where did you get the rest of those Wiggy bags?

Wiggy's are the most popular bags in the world. They are available from a variety of sources. Even Cabela's sold them for a year or two.

I'm pretty sure Chawn got all those others from Jerry.

Oh yeah, he sells them too.

I'm not sure if you were being serious, CCH, about the popularity of Wiggy's bags. As noted before, I think Coleman probably sells more sleeping bags than anyone else on the planet. If memory serves, when this thread began I took a look at the D&B data for Wiggy's. If I recall correctly, the company had less than $2.5 million in annual revenues in 2006. That's a pretty tiny business. This said, I suspect a number of the "boutique" manufacturers don't have huge annual sales numbers. High-end sleeping bags are a niche market... and frankly, I think that when niche companies get big, quality often suffers.

Perhaps the most salient question is, "When the 'experts' like world-class mountaineers pick a sleeping bag, what do they choose"? If you go to a K2, what do you see in the tents? Now, I understand the specific demands for mountaineering at that elevation are different than hunting in a lower and much wetter environment. Still, when a guy has to put his life on the line, he's going to pick the bag that works best... not the bag where he got the best deal or the one he's trying to sell.

I don't believe Cabela's sold the FTRSS but maybe 1 or 2 of the others. Who else sells these bags other than JW and MT?

Well, up to a point, let's not forget that expeditions of that sort are always sponsored and thus the participants tend to use the gear GIVEN to them by the big makers. They ALSO usually just give the gear to the Sherpas after a major effort on a major peak and thus are not as concerned with longevity and costs as WE might well be.

So, I do not really consider them a dependable source for advice/example in THIS situation, our needs are different and our abilities to obtain gear are, as well.

I DO agree that as the "boutique" makers grow, their quality USUALLY declines, however, WM and ID bags have IMPROVED since the earlier models I saw and Valandre has to be used to see just how good a bag can be. As to production level bags, I would look at the new Kifaru Slick bags before any other one out there and IF the 0*F model actually DOES work at that temp. and at 2.75 lbs. for this level of comfort in cold, THAT is a helluva breakthrough!

My experience with Patrick Smith is that he is a gentleman of the first order and I would expect this bag to be "cutting edge" and a superb choice for hunters.

Perhaps the most salient question is, "When the 'experts' like world-class mountaineers pick a sleeping bag, what do they choose"? If you go to a K2, what do you see in the tents?
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Do you have the answer or was that intended to be rhetorical? I'd be interested in the answer to what's in the tents.

Last I checked Cabelas STILL sold the FTRSS.

Gotta link? I searched their whole catalog and didn't see ANY Wiggy bags there.

nope...guess not...

They WERE there a month ago or so...

I've got a new catalogue at the house, I'll have to look at that tonight also.

Maybe Marc can clue us in as to what happened.