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Is there a below radar conspiracy against the 2nd Admendment rights...you betcha!!<BR>Gun Control Group Empowers Anti-Gun Citizens<BR>11 July 01<BR>(CNSNews.com) - A small San Francisco-based group, in business since 1993, continues to use "legislation, litigation, and education" to push for anti-gun measures across the country.Based on their belief that the Second Amendment offers no provision for the private ownership of firearms, the Legal Community Against Violence (LCAV) attempts to incrementally impose state and local anti-gun measures, providing legislators and fellow gun control activists with state and local gun law information.Last week, LCAW launched a new website, called the Firearms Law Center (FLC) (www.firearmslawcenter.org), to aid gun control advocates in enacting regulations in their communities.In their attempts to mobilize like-minded activists, the site allows other gun control advocates to click on their state, find out which anti-gun regulations are in effect, as well as what they can do to impose more state and local ordinances to restrict gun ownership."President Bush has said there will be no new federal gun legislation during his term, but that doesn't have to be the final word on the subject," said Barrie Becker, executive director of LCAV and the FLC."When we give city and county policymakers the right tools and clearly lay out their options, they're ready to run," she said. "We've done the legal research to help them get past the constant threat of litigation and the pro- and anti-gun arguments to focus on safety issues that affect everyone."In its campaign, LCAV has also targeted the National Rifle Association (NRA), accusing the organization of "preventing sane gun laws.""According to the NRA and other opponents of rational firearms control measures," the LCAV website says, "the Second Amendment guarantees the absolute right of every American to privately possess firearms without restriction. This is not true. The NRA continues to spend millions of dollars each year convincing the public and media that effective gun laws are unconstitutional."In an ad that appeared in the New York Times, the LCAV said, "It's a sad and shameful fact that thousands of kids are killed by firearms each year in this country. What's even more shameful is the National Rifle Association's misrepresentation of the Second Amendment."The NRA, however, insists there's been no misrepresentation about an American's right to possess a firearm."NRA continues to fight against those who would dictate that American citizens should seek police permission to exercise their constitutional rights," the group said in a recent statement. "NRA believes that the Second Amendment speaks to far more than a right to enjoy firearms for hunting and target shooting, the phony 'sporting purposes' notion to which so many cling. Such notions trivialize an essential freedom which NRA is honor- bound to defend, a constitutional safeguard as worthy of defense as freedom of speech."Choosing to carry a low profile in its efforts to outlaw private ownership of firearms, the LCAV says it has helped enact over 100 new statewide firearm ordinances in California, with more coming from local communities all over the nation."State law usually follows local law, so it's important to keep providing education and resources at the community level," Becker said.The Firearms Law Center also says 15 states have laws that give cities and counties leeway in enacting gun regulations, where FLC plans to focus its future efforts.<P>--------------------<P>This is the way the world ends...not with a bang but a whimper. t.s. eliot<P>Remember Lexington Green!

San Francisco....What do you expect? The rest of us live in the USA!

When I was young (long ago) the standing joke was only Queers and steers came from Texas, but that was ok since Texas thought of its self as seperate country anyway...<P>Well my how things have changed. The steers are still in Texas, but the Queers all left and went to S.F. Nothing wrong with that, and I think most Texans would agree.. Only trouble is San Francisco, and southern Califorina, believe they ARE America, and ther rest of us just have not figured it out how smart and correct they are. At least the Texans of old had the honestly to think of themselves as Texan first, and Americans second.<P>Is'nt all of Southern Kaliforniate up to San Frickenco due for the REALLY BIG one, None to soon in my book. I never did trust people who can not even understand how to do sex right.<P>P.S. I just put on my flame suit for this one, but h*** I am tired of being suttle.<P>...Pick...

Pick:<P>Thanks for the good wishes. Yup, all us folks from the San Francisco Bay Area down certainly deserve death and destruction in the big one. Just came back from the board of directors meeting from my rod and gun club. Guess we all deserve to go, right? And all the other good people who get up in the morning and get themselves off to work? And their kids off to school? Families doing the best they can to hold the line against the misguided who want to finish the job of turning our country and liberties upside down? What the heck were we thinking about anyway? Shouldn't we all just give up and die? And even those misguided folks themselves...they should go down too. I mean with you making the choices for us about who deserves to live and die? But may we all please come to your coronation first?

This is one old Texican who, admitidly, once felt about California, like pick wrote. Then I went there to visit. What I discovered is that there are a whole bunch of really nice folks that live there and that California ain't LosAngeles and SanFransico. It is just like Texas ain't Houston and Dallas. Now it does appear to me that there are more wierd, nutty groups/people headquartered in Ca. (I have a theory as to why but that is neither here nor there)and that the "leaders" of Ca society have an inflated idea of their importqance to the rest of the country. I am sorry that the good people in Ca are out yelled by the nuts but they sure are not outnumbered. So BornAK, you all good folks keep fighting. I wish you all were not so far back and sure hope you can take your nice state back for the good people that live there. Just for instance, I ain't in the oil business but I think you all's present governer is a grade A ass.<BR>BCR

Boggy, <P>I want to hear the theory why so many nutty groups are in Ca? Does Texas revoke their passports, or what?<P>I sure don't admire him or his politics, but Gray Out Davis is like most politicians, he avoided the hard choices, hoping they would go away and, in this case, they just got harder. Then, as with most politicians, he jumped right in there, proclaimed he fixed it and all he did was f..k it up worse than it would have been if he had left it alone in the first place. <P>As usual, it all goes back to basic human instincts, the politicians desire to be re-elected and the utilities desire to harvest more profits, which created this mess under Wilson, a dumb Republican, IMO, and the California Legislature. Anyone in business, or, for that matter, anyone with a shred of common sense, knows, or should know, that you can't control prices on one end, and not control them on the other and make it work for long, and it didn't.

CAT, my theory about the nut groups in Ca goes like this. When this country was being settled any body who had strange ideas, couldn't get along with his neighbors or was unsatisfied with where ever it was he was at went west. Well, California is the end of the line without you swim. The mis-fits just naturally all wound up there and started to breed. That is why there are so many of them there today. They just went along ahead of the normal folks who was just looking for a better life somewhere besides where they came from.<BR>On the other I think you are right. No body understands basic economics any more. If I have something and you want it you are going to have to pay my price or find it some where else or do without it. If enough decide they can do with out it then the price comes down. Simple.<BR>Before we wander too far into the weeds I believe that the real and worst enemy is not any group but the unorganized sixty million or so gun owners. You know the guy who has a shot gun or a pistol in the drawer or a rifle in the closet that he maybe uses a day or two a year. He has them because, By God, it is his right to have them, he thinks. He will grumble and mumble about the latest gun law but, being basicly a law abiding citizen, goes right along with it never realizing that the loss of rights is incremental. He still has his gun, don't he?<BR>Yes, for now he does. Can this guy be woke up before it is too late? I doubt it, but I am a pessimist by nature. Heck, I am in the cow business ain't I?<BR>BCR

Excellent analagy Boggy.... [img]images/icons/laugh.gif" border="0[/img] [img]images/icons/laugh.gif" border="0[/img] I never thought of it that way both on the Californian issue and the gun issue..... [img]images/icons/laugh.gif" border="0[/img] You and I think so much alike its scarry!!! [img]images/icons/laugh.gif" border="0[/img] Someone told me there were 80 million gun owners in the US, I dont see why there is even an issue.. I saw on NBC last night tho where a woman made the analagy that "Why if guns are so bad dont we see random killings at NRA conventions or Gun shows"....We see it happen in schoolyards, on the streets of the cities, but not when there are thousands of people packing. I would say we should all be packing and the random shootings would nearly cease to happen...Hopefully they will enact a law to that effect to make it mandatory to own a gun. I see where John Ashcroft stuck his neck out a little on the subject and that IS GOOD.....By the way Boggy I saw three really good bucks yesterday....Two of them are gonna be whoppers. The smaller of the three looked to be about 26 incher. Its raining here a little today so I will be shut down haying I may give ya a jingle around noon or so, or maybe this evening. bcat

My quick take on nut cases in California: There are plenty of socialist organizations and anti-religious movements in the major metropolitan areas around the country. Have you taken a look at New York City lately? I lived in upstate NY as a kid, and--aside from it's nut-case approach to handguns--it was a relatively conservative, family-oriented state. What has happened in the state of California--particularly over the last 10-plus years, is a huge infusion of illegal aliens. Along came the "amnesty" programs and generally liberal policies that allow illegals to register and vote, because nobody really checks to see if you are who you say you are. (Remember the story about the lady who registered her dog in Maryland? My daughter was registered in three places at once after moving and re-registering. Of course, she's an honest woman and only voted in one--but nothing would have prevented her from voting thrice.) They tipped the balance to a wildly socialistic Democratic party in the state, as they all seem to vote for more handouts and irrational policies, such as giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens. As a result this basically conservative state (check your history--Ronald Regan was governor with a Republican legislature) into a liberal bastion. The same whacko groups that exist in many metropolitan areas now gain greater visability and everybody thinks California is the land of fruits and nuts. San Francisco and Los Angeles are definitely over the edge, but even there if you really look at the people, you'll find a sizeable minority who believe in a true Constitutional country with real property rights.

I read an editorial awile back that made sense.California is really 3 states so it should be divided up that way.LA would be one and because neither THe rest of CAL nor LA wants any part of San FRancisco,it would be the third.<BR>It wont happen cause it makes too much sense.Folks that live in the San JOAQUIN VALLEY are a lot more like me than some jokers that live in Dallas.

BornAk,<P>This is Pick... I said what I FELT... I am sorry that you take it so personel. I will be the first to admit that there are decent folk doing thier best out CA. way. Also I will be the first to admitt the reset of the country has there loonies.<P>Getting back to what I feel, is that sometimes, and after reading about the SF site, I wish that Califorina would go away. I know it will not but that is how I FEEL. Feelings have very little to do with logic and understanding in most cases, and mine are no exceptions. Now feeling aside, if CA wanted to mess up its own house so to speak, that is one thing, but what really chafs my shorts, is the attitude, CA knows what is best for the rest of the country also, and if we (the ones outside CA) do not understand that then we are to stupid to matter.<P>I know that is not the thinking of all the people in CA since I did live there for two and half years, the bay area no less. But it is the attitude of the ELECTED goverment there. It is also the attitude of the culture and media gives to the rest of the country.<P>We all make our chocies in life, and if I were you BornAK (which I am not), I would seriously think of getting out of that state, especially if you have a faimily. IF CA was such a great place, how come all the retires, leave for thier 'golden years'? I am not personally attacking any individual, but merely honestly expressing (and venting) my furstration at what that state is doing to the rest of the country as well as its self.<P>Sorry if you took it personel, but I still do stand by what I wrote. That is how I feel, nothing more and nothing less. BTW, I can tell you MANY feel as I do.<P>Here is feeling sorry for all the good people in Kaliforniate, my God have mercy on you for the Goverment surely will not.

Sure wish California would separate into different states. Unfortunately, nobody would want the bay area. maybe it could be a district like washington DC? [img]images/icons/laugh.gif" border="0[/img]

Pick: I know you're not really wishing death and destruction on all the people in California, even if that's the statement on the surface. Hey, a lot of 'em tick me off too. I'm just not ready to give up on everyone yet. Oh, yeah, believe me if I could afford it (and get me wife to come with me <grin> ) I'd be up in Idaho at least or Alaska at best. Can't do it yet. Look at it this way: You got some good guys out here in occupied territory trying to hold as much off ourselves and you too. That's better than if we just let the hordes have the state, right?

By the way, I just heard Geoff Metcalf announce the other day that he's going to work again this year to get a proposition on the ballot putting a guarantee of the right to keep and bear arms into the California Constitution. I'll definitely be supporting Geoff on this. You can listen to Geoff at 4:00 Pacific time (until 7:00) on <A HREF="http://www.worldnetdaily.com" TARGET=_blank>www.worldnetdaily.com</A> <P>Geoff also has his own Web site, which is stocked with lots of good stuff, but is down way too often. <A HREF="http://www.geoffmetcalf.com" TARGET=_blank>www.geoffmetcalf.com</A>