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"Gonna get tough on illegal immigration.....tighten up our borders" - W 2000 -2003


And now he wants to "legalize" crimaliens????


Just yet another reason he is not getting my vote.

Come on RAM. You know it's now an election year. He's trying to gain votes. These illegals have relatives that CAN vote. My views are on the riight politically, but I don't really trust or like any politician. -TomT

"Can" vote Tom, but usually don't.

And when they do, they vote democRAT

Mexico has won the Alamo. Again

If you ever find a candidate that you agree with and support 100% let me know. I never have. American politics is no longer a case of "vote for the best choice." These days you have to figure out who will do the least damage rather than having a choice between good and better.

RAM, Skid, your both so right. It pains me to make my living commuting to Manhattan every day and watch the city I grew up in become the human cesspool it has become. Just ask anyone that's taken pretty much any subway in the city in recent years. I can't get out of the city fast or often enough ino rural upstate NY, PA or Maine when I have the chance. Unfortunately for me it's where I make my living and I'm still raising 3 children with my wife. Overpriced, overcongested Long Island not where I plan to be in a dacade when I hope to retire. I just pray there are still nice places to retire to. I certainly won't miss passing Dunkin Donut's parking lots at 7A.M. full of ever increasing numbers of day laborers that snuck into this country illegally and go unchecked by either police or immigration. I feel better now that i've had my rant. -TomT

RAM;

I am with you on this one and over on campfire too. Bush has betrayed us on many issues. It is getting downright scary.

I think I'm going to have to agree with RAM too. At some point we have to stop supporting the Republican Party, as it degenerates into "Socialism Light." If we keep supporting it as it declines, we are telling them we approve of that direction. More of us need to jump off into the U.S. Tax Payer/Constitution Party if we are going to make a difference in the long term. Remember, the Republican Party was the Third Party (with "no chance of winning") in the 1850s. At some point, enough people made the jump, and all the sudden it had a chance of winning, and in fact won. Unfortunately its first president was a disaster for this nation, but that's another thread.

At least, maybe, if there were a Democrat in office (preferably a really hated one) there would be some effective opposition. Bush has been a terrible president. He has delivered almost none of his promised tax cuts (oh, I did get 300$ back a few years ago, dinner and drinks one night), he has drastically increased the deficit, passed a prescription drug plan that may cost more than one trillion dollars in the next ten years, and started a war in Iraq that has no end in sight. Now, he wants to grant amnesty to illegal aliens and get them on social security. What? Remember, this is the same social security system he said was broken in his campaign. Nothing has been done to fix it, now they propose to add millions of people to it. Are they trying to bankrupt the country? I defy anyone to explain how any of his domestic policies, minus the miniscule tax cut, are in any way remotely conservative. Had Bill Clinton done any of this stuff, most the posters on this board would have been calling for his head on a pike. However, it would be unwise to call for any such action against the current president because he has presided over the most sweeping abrogations of civil liberties in this country since the Civil War. Say something negative about the president, outside of the designated free speech zone, of course, and you can find yourself in serious trouble.

Wake up, it doesn't matter if GW is doing this stuff so that he can capture the center and get reelected, it is still being done. Almost as irrational as the continued support given by conservatives, is the absolute hatred of GW by liberals. GW is the most liberal president since Johnson and possibly FDR. Bill Clinton was the most constitutional president in the last fifty years because he accomplished almost nothing of any substance. Scandals rocked his presidency and a Republican controlled congress meant that he could get almost nothing done. That is what I want out of a President, nothing. Coincidentally, the economy seemed to flourish in those years and things were generally better than they are now.

Listen, it doesn't matter that GW seems like a nice Christian guy and tha Bill Clinton was so scumy. Look at the results. We are getting bent over by the nice, and oh so likable, George Bush. It may feel a little better than if Clinton had done it, but we're still going to be awfully sore in the morning.

The irrational love of GW and his administration is the most dangerous thing to happen to this country since the Civil War. Questions for all you George Bush lovers. Will you be so happy with the government and all the protection it offers when eight years from now the Hillary Clinton Justice Department is using all the powers gained during the Bush regime? Will you be happy as they use these powers and precedents to radically redefine who is a "terrorist" and a threat to America? Will you be happy as the massive deficites come home to roost and are used by the new Clinton administration as justification for the the most massive tax increase in history? Will you be happy as your sons and daughters are drafted into an Army and used as cannon fodder in Iraq or some other Middle Eastern cesspool?

The Illegal Immigrant move is scandalous, but cleverly calculated. It's not like Bush will lose his core constituency over it. He is probably trying to get swing voters on his side.
However, this move will prove disastrously costly in the long run.
I am a legal immigrant to this country and paid my dues, both financially and in time (lots of time spent on it).
I feel kinda dumb now. Shoulda just jumped the border, eh?

I agree with Joe. At least when a Dem is in office, conservative Americans put a hot poker under the seats of their Congressmen to put the breaks on his liberal/totalitarian agenda. Because George is a nominal Republican, we tend not to resist his liberal/totalitarian agenda. At least, we say, it's not as bad as what a Democrat would want to do (the truth of which is becoming more and more questionable every day).

Hawkeye...I seem to remember you promoting voting for the lesser evil, and then working to change that party from within?
Is that still your point of view?
I have to admit, I am pretty disappointed with some things Bush has done.

Campaign Finance Reform, Assault Weapons Ban, Patriot Act (SOME of it), and now the Aliens.

Matt, I'm gonna have to call you on this one. It just doesn't sound like me to have advised voting for the lesser of two evils. I do recal that I favored voting in Republican primaries for the most conservative candidate, but I have voted third party on many occasions for president. I voted for Reagan twice. Didn't vote for G.H.W. Bush either time he ran. Didn't vote for Dole. Voted for G.W. Bush the first time, but will vote third party next time.

Hawkeye, don't get me wrong. I simply did not remember, it seemed like you stated something of that sort in the Liberal View valid? thread.

I apologize.

Matt, I called you. You have to fold or show your hand. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Actually, Matt, there was no thread called "Is the liberal view valid." The name of the thread was "Is the libertarian view valid." BIG difference in modern day American English.

Aw...come on, quit nitpickin'! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Yes it was called "Losertarian", em "Libertarian", pardon me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Well, I'm not very happy with the new policy on illegal aliens. It is really going to hurt where I live! California laready has huge budget problems and now we're going to let a whole bunch more illegals in. (And it does not matter to me whether they are Mexican, South American, Asian or European - they are illegal!) However, there is no politician that I agree with 100% on every issue. Bush still comes closest, and I will vote for him next time, probably - there's still time for him to lose my vote, though.

Don't really care about the deficit, prescription drugs, tax cuts, war in Iraq, illegal aliens, social security, et al. I do REALLY care about guns. I don't agree with everything the Bush administration has done but I don't agree with my wife about everything either. Most of us went somewhere else in '92 and look what that got us. The Brady Bill, the Assault Weapons Ban, and an ATF that was absolutely out of control. What few here are bothering to mention is that anything that Bush says he wants has to get though the Congress. Most of the worst of the Patriot Act was put in there by the Dems as they had control of the Senate at the time of its passage. Remember the big [bleep] over whether union seniority or the security of the nation was more important? Remember where the TSA came from? And those were just the high profile arguements. The House doesn't do the country any favors either. The Republican majority there is so slim that most legislation that goes in is almost unrecognizable by the time it comes out because of all the compromises that had to be made to sustain a majority. It seems that a good many folks on this board are perfectly willing to dump it all on Bush and never say a word about their Representative or Senator. Y'all need to remember that Bush can't get a damn thing done without them. In the first two years of his administration Bill Clinton was well on the way to dealing a death blow to our gun rights until the Republicans gained control of the House and Senate after the '94 elections and stopped him. Many of you seem to get off "Bush Bashing" as much as the Bradys do because he isn't dancing 100% to the tune that you would like him to. If you think all I'm doing is defending him then you're not paying attention. What I'm saying is that its not that simple. The whole government is a mess, not just the president. Look at the courts. Do you want Howard Dean, Weasely Clark or the party of Charles Schumer to be in a position to appoint judges? Do you want the likes of them able to appoint an Attorney General who will interpret what gun laws mean and how they are to be enforced at the Federal level? Would you like them to appoint the next head of Homeland Security and control the ATF and how they write and enforce the implimenting regulations of current and future Federal gun laws? Will reelecting Bush and a Republican majority in the House and Senate be a panacea for all that's wrong with our country? Hell no!!! But there is an alternative and its about as ugly as your faces will be after you cut your noses off. "Dance with the one who brung you" works both ways. Bashing Bush et al feels good but then so does screwing someone with VD. Its only later that you realize the consequences of your actions. Wake up! Its just not that simple. Actions, or lack thereof, have consequences. Think about it. Really think about it!

If we are going to be betrayed by the President, does it really matter if he is a Republican or a Democrat?

I agree with most of what Skidrow says. I remember the morning of 9-11-01 and the first thing that I thought of was " I sure am glad that Gore is not president". I still have that opinion. I do not agree with some of the things that are happening, but I still think that we are better off with President Bush. I also think that he is a better choice than anyone running in the Democrat party. The only one that I might consider is Joe Libberman and I don't agree with a lot of his ideas. He is by far the most honest of the democrats running. It is most improbable that we will ever have a president that will be a true conserveative. There are too many people that want the socialistic country that we have. Any time that welfare pays more than minimum wage the people on it will vote for anyone that will keep it going. miles