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Are we fighting a religious war in the mideast today? When this thing first started I hated the sound of a "war against religion" as being un-Christian. But you know what? Now Im really starting to wonder.

If the muslim people are so full of hate toward us, and OUR religion, then how should we respond? In these countrys you could be arrested for praying to Christ in public, writing,teaching, or speaking about Christianity, or even wearing a crucifix. Simply put, practicing Christianity is a crime in these Tyrranical Dictatorships. Most of all Saudi Arabia.

Is this war political or is it religious? Im really starting to wonder,and, if THEY consider it religious should we think any different? Dont we have a sacred duty to fight to protect, and spread the word, of Christianity?. Can someone qoute the Bible here for guidance?.........10

This is a very good question. No easy answers except in the broadest context. The only New Testament verse that comes to my mind is in Romans 13:3-4. Paul calls the soldier a "minister of God to thee for good...he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

The history of the Christian Church starting with Constantine starts to become rather depressing, specifically with regards to the Church's unholy "marriage" to state and emporer. The wars of Inquisition against the Albigenses, Waldensians, and later the Huguenots were especially atrocious. I am Protestant to my bone marrow on almost every classical Protestant theological distinctive, but I want to hide my eyes from what Cromwell did in Ireland.

Bottom line; as the wise men who founded the US understood and often times quoted, the sword cannot compel faith or right opinions, nor can it restrain heresy. These are individual matters of a persons conscience and no true faith can be coerced upon anyone. I would rather think that idealistically, we as Americans fight for the freedom of religion, freedom of expression and thought, freedom of choice and the rule of law tempered by mercy. Nonetheless, if Christian men had not boldly weilded the sword afore us in Europe, we would all be living under the tyranny of the Crescent to this day. I sometimes think some of these issues are in the realm of God's providence, rather than in my realm of power to influence one way or another.

And... I do believe the Christian Soldiers of the Southern Sudan are fighting a righeous war. God bless them, and may they prevail.

The soldiers of Christ in these times are told by the apostle Paul, the apostle to the Church age, that, "We wrestle NOT against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph 6:12

He also said that, " For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled." 2 Cor 10:4-6

Much hurt has been done to the cause of Christianity, which is the spreading of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The above two verses say we are not in a battle with men, but with devils and the Devil. Our weapons cannot be carnal - like M16's and bombs, but they have to mighty - and it goes on down to tell of what these weapons need to do -- pull down strong holds. Where are these stong holds? In the minds and hearts of Christian people - "casting down imaginations" and "every high thing" and "bringing into captivity every thought" for the purpose of obeying the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is a personal fight in prayer and Bible study to combat the forces of evil in your personal life. Canada and America are NOT Christian nations. Look at all the wickedness abounding within our coasts.

I am for the fight against terrorism on the grounds of national safety and security. Even though our enemies make this a religious war, in the name of Allah, we need to certainly pray that God would be with us in the fight, but NOT make it a religious war of Christianity against Islam. The religious aspect of that war will not be fought with guns and bombs, but in prayer, witnessing, and preaching the gospel.

FWIW

the_shootist,

Right on!!

shootist,
You hit the nail on the head.
Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!
To God Alone Be The Glory!

I agree shootist. What really bothers me tho is the intolerance toward other religions in many of the Islamic countrys, some of whom expect us to believe they are our friends.

Islam in America is certainly not our enemy. However there is a "sect" of Islam, called Wahhabism, that has chosen us as an enemy. Wahhabism is the driving force behind todays Militant Islamic fundamentalism. Dont understimate this gospel of hate. Is it to farfetched to think that Satan is behind such an extremist movement?

And these tyrannical Govt.'s that have fostered it, have exported it, and have nourished it, how can we call them anything but enemies?

And how do we fight it? I have researched Wahhabism a lot and its not a pure political movement, far from it. Even if we remove the Govt.'s that foster it, by force, this hatefull, intolerant form of Islam will exist.

The rifle will only solve so much. What else then is the answer?..................10

10 PT,

You said, "What really bothers me tho is the intolerance toward other religions in many of the Islamic countrys, some of whom expect us to believe they are our friends."

I suggest you NOT go to those Islamic countries to live then. That is our choice. Also lobby your government to exclude those radical Moslems from immigration. In the name of homeland security. I do not call that racial discrimination, or racial or religious profiling. I call it being fiscally responsible and safety minded.

Press on. Phil 3:12-14

shootist,
It would be awful hard to determine if a person is a member of that sect before entering this country. If we ever have another terror attack as bad or worse than 9/11 I think many people will shout for closing our USA/MEX border, stopping Arabs from coming in, and if the attack is far worse than we could imagine I believe some will call for deporting all mid-east people. That is a possible scenario. Satan is behind anything that is not of God and this world will know no peace until Jesus returns.
Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!
To God Alone Be The Glory!

Qtip,

I agree whole heartedly. There can be no peace on Earth, till the Prince of Peace shows up after the great tribulation. Even then, the Bible says he rules with a rod of iron. At the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus Christ on Earth, there will be a rebellion when Satan is loosed for a little season, and men will follow him to destruction. Think about that! Jesus has been reigning in roghteousness for a thousand years, and some people will still follow the Devil.

In eternity future, we will have peace, for the same verse that promised the coming of Jesus Christ, promises his government and PEACE. Isaiah 9:6-7 --- "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." . ... Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

""""""""""I suggest you NOT go to those Islamic countries to live then. That is our choice. Also lobby your government to exclude those radical Moslems from immigration. In the name of homeland security. I do not call that racial discrimination, or racial or religious profiling. I call it being fiscally responsible and safety minded. """""""""""

Already been there, done that.

Its irrelavant if we "ban" anyone from this country, or yours. The seeds of hate will continue to be planted, youv already seen the results of the Madrasses in terrorist attacks worldwide. "banning" anyone, as if they wear signs when they try to enter, isnt going to stop Islamic fundementalism/terrorsim.

Fundementalist Islam, most of all Wahhabism, is going to "hate" other religions, most of all Cristianity and Jewry, and be a pre-cursor to terrorism as long as it exists.

The gulf arabs, even if they dont outright lie, are in denial regarding this puritan form of Islam. They nutured it, exported it, fiananced it, protect it, and secretly agree with it, even while denounceing and supposedly distanceing from it. The simple fact is Wahhabism and the Madrasses are the womb of Islamic terrorism. They exported it to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Nigeria, Sudan, and even to our own shores.

The question remains, is this a religious war? Try answering this after a sober analysis of the facts, while putting "political correctness" aside for a moment. The Govt. of Pakistan is tottering on the edge of becoming a Islamic state in possesion of nuclear weapons. Iran may develope them as well.

You may call it "fiscally responsable" but in America there are to many liberal voices who would call it racial profileing. Imagine the stink Saudi Arabia would put up if we did that? A country that treats Christianity as a crime, and where human rights isnt even a concept.

Are we really supposed to forgive such people, and if we dont are we sinning?...........10

This is such a hard topic to sort out. I really have not got it all worked out in my mind. I tend to agree with Shootist down the line on this. On the other hand, some forms of evil in this world are so pernicious the only restraint that works is the bloodied unsheathed sword. And it would seem that tyrannical Islam with all its attendant cruelties is one such evil.

This might seem cornball, but when watching the movie, Saving Private Ryan, I felt an affinity for the bible quoting sniper who was finally taken out by a tank while in the bell tower. I suppose that person was loosely based on Sargent York.

Bottom line; there is a righteous use of the sword. Defeating Hitler was certainly a "holy-war" At this time, I believe Christians can bear that righteous sword. I digress from the Mennonite position.

And again; I believe the Christian soldiers of the Southern Sudan deserve our respect, prayers and support.

So in any case 10- Point, you raise a good quesiton. I have nto got it all thought out yet. These issues bother my mind more often than I care to admit.

10pont,

I am NOT a peace monger. I believe in the righteous use of the M16, grenade launcher, smart bombs, dumb bombs, and even nuclear weapons, if that is the only way to get the job done.

I, unlike some of my country, support the US troops doing the job over there. I wish my country had got on side, instead of burying their head in the sand.

My point is to let the other side make it a religious war, let's just kick their hind parts so hard they quit worrying about this side of the pond and start worrying about the next round of fighting IN THEIR OWN BACK YARD!!

I am for the war on terrorism. And I don't care who makes all the money rebuilding IRAQ. I say, leave it in shambles! Why do we feel like we have to be nice to these folks? They don't share our sentiments. 9-11 was a good example.

Heres my thoughts on it. Any Govt. that aids these people "in any way" has to be removed by force by the American military. On that list are countrys , that some would call "friends", first of which is Saudi Arabia. If they dont cooperate 100% in this war then they are enemies.

We have been fools trusting these people. Why would we ever trust a country that would put you in jail for reading a Bible in public? Ive been in the military in an Islamic country and the experience gave me a window into this world that few others have. Theres "something" in that religion that holds life in cheap regard. Maybe its the garuntee of "paradise", maybe its just that life is held cheaply in the 3rd world tribal cultures Islam flourishes in. To say they dont "share our values" is an understatement.

The thought of fighting a religion is repugnant to most Americans, inlcudeing me. Freedom of religion is a cornerstone of American society. But it isnt to the societys we are fighting. Like it or not we are in a religious war too. Not cause we want one, but because they want one.

And we should put Islam on notice. Either stop supporting Wahhabism and the Madrasses, or face the sword. And we should park that sword right in the middile of Iraq and leave it there. Just to remind them..........10

You don't know what you're talking about. You sound like you might be watching too much CNN, and believing it.

I was there. 99% of the people in Iraq are simple folks trying to exist. They are elated that we are there, dismantling the dictator's regime.

They are so beaten down it is hard for them to get "attitude" like most Americans, and take charge of the situation themselves.

There are islamic radicals who want to destroy us, but not the mainstream muslims, they are very peaceful people. Too peaceful for their own good. That's why the dictators rise to the top...

MM

Naw, you dont know what your talking about pal. Try useing your computer for more then a hunting forumn. For instance when was I talking about Iraq? Or dont you know how to read?

Try reading the thread again and then type Wahhabism in a search engine pal. Radical Islam isnt as much a problem in Iraq cause Saddam killed them all, just as Assad did in Syria. Did you ever hear about Hama? Or is that before your time?

"""""There are islamic radicals who want to destroy us, but not the mainstream muslims"""""

Gee where did you hear that ? Did you read that from my post? Or is my post about the ones who want to kill us? Do you think I'd be writing about it if they didnt want to kill us? And I got news for you son. They were killing us 25 years ago, when I was in the ME, back when you were in short pants.

I admire your sacrafice, and admire the marines, but dont talk down to me here son. I forgot more about this stuff then you'll ever know. And "average peoples" dont make wars, hateful ones do. Hateful religions, hateful Govt.'s. And wahhabi Islam is hateful, as is the Govt.'s that foster it.
""""""""While the Wahhabis have always been sympathetic to Sunni Muslim extremists and evidence exists that they have supported such people financially as early as a century ago,8 the real Saudi offensive to spread Wahhabism aggressively and support kindred extremist groups world-wide began in the mid-1970s, when the kingdom reaped an incredible financial windfall with rocketing oil prices after Riaydh's imposition of an oil embargo in 1973.9 "It was only when oil revenues began to generate real wealth," says a government publication, that "the kingdom could fulfill its ambitions of spreading the word of Islam to every corner of the world."10

There are no published Western estimates of the numbers involved, which, in itself, is evidence of our failure to address this key issue, but even the occasional tidbits provided by official Saudi sources, indicate a campaign of unprecedented magnitude. Between 1975 and 1987, the Saudis admit to having spent $48 billion or $4 billion per year on "overseas development aid," a figure which by the end of 2002 grew to over $70 billion (281 billion Saudi rials).11 """"""""""


The Saudis obstructed every investigation, into their form of home grown terrorism, for many many years. I know an FBI agent who went there to investigate a bombing. Even after 9/11 they obstructed and denied, even with most of the terr's haveing been Saudis. 15 of the 9/11 bombers were wahhabi Saudis
""""""""""Financing Radical Islam

Saudi financing of Islamic extremism plays such a huge role in its emergence as a global phenomenon that a proper understanding of it is impossible without coming to terms with its dimensions. Simply put, without the exorbitant sums of Saudi money spent on supporting extremist networks and activities, the terrorist threat we are facing today would be nowhere as acute as it is"""""""""""


Americans have been suckers for to long. Even your statements mirror a sophisticated denial machine coming from the Gulf Arab countrys. They smile in your face and for years have been fianancing the export of Wahhabism, and the madrasses, into other lands. Heres some links where you can learn something. Americans had better wise up and stop thinking so simply, and being so trusting. Even after 9/11 its scares me to believe that so many Americans, like this guy here, interpret world events in such politicaly correct terms. Some people had better wise up. The world is only going to get more dangerous and Wahhabi Islam is not going to go away...................10
""""""""""The Saudi money is spent according to a carefully designed plan to enhance Wahhabi influence and control at the expense of mainstream Muslims. In Muslim countries, much of the aid goes to fund religious madrassas that teach little more than hatred of the infidels, while producing barely literate Jihadi cadres. There are now tens of thousands of these madrassas run by the Wahhabis' Deobandi allies in South Asia and also throughout Southeastern Asia. In Pakistan alone, foreign funding of these madrassas, most of which comes from Saudi Arabia, is estimated at no less than $350 million per year.13 The Saudis also directly support terrorist activities in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Indonesia, Chechnya, Bosnia and, as noticed above, most of the large Saudi foundations have been implicated in such involvement. """"""""""""


http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/interrogatory111802.asp
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/12/4/210025.shtml
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=8715
""""""""""""Terrorism has a Name - Wahhabism
Anthem Press | Stephen Schwartz


Posted on 10/05/2001 1:26:29 PM PDT by databoss


Stephen Schwartz on the extreme Islamic sect that inspires Osama bin Laden as well as all Muslim suicide bombers � and is subsidised by Saudi Arabia

Washington

The first thing to do when trying to understand �Islamic suicide bombers� is to forget the clich�s about the Muslim taste for martyrdom. It does exist, of course, but the desire for paradise is not a safe guide to what motivated the appalling suicide attacks on New York and Washington last week. Throughout history, political extremists of all faiths have willingly given up their lives simply in the belief that by doing so, whether in bombings or in other forms of terror, they would change the course of history, or at least win an advantage for their cause. Tamils are not Muslims, but they blow themselves up in their war on the government of Sri Lanka; Japanese kamikaze pilots in the second world war were not Muslims, but they flew their fighters into US aircraft carriers.

The Islamofascist ideology of Osama bin Laden and those closest to him, such as the Egyptian and Algerian �Islamic Groups�, is no more intrinsically linked to Islam or Islamic civilisation than Pearl Harbor was to Buddhism, or Ulster terrorists � whatever they may profess � are to Christianity. Serious Christians don�t go around killing and maiming the innocent; devout Muslims do not prepare for paradise by hanging out in strip bars and getting drunk, as one of last week�s terrorist pilots was reported to have done.

The attacks of 11 September are simply not compatible with orthodox Muslim theology, which cautions soldiers �in the way of Allah� to fight their enemies face-to-face, without harming non-combatants, women or children. Most Muslims, not only in America and Britain, but in the world, are clearly law-abiding citizens of their countries � a point stressed by President Bush and other American leaders, much to their credit. Nobody on this side of the water wants a repeat of the lamented 1941 internment of Japanese Americans.

Still, the numerical preponderance of Muslims as perpetrators of these ghastly incidents is no coincidence. So we have to ask ourselves what has made these men into the monsters they are? What has so galvanised violent tendencies in the world�s second-largest religion (and, in America, the fastest growing faith)? Can it really flow from a quarrel over a bit of land in the Middle East?

For Westerners, it seems natural to look for answers in the distant past, beginning with the Crusades. But if you ask educated, pious, traditional but forward-looking Muslims what has driven their umma, or global community, in this direction, many of them will answer you with one word: Wahhabism. This is a strain of Islam that emerged not at the time of the Crusades, nor even at the time of the anti-Turkish wars of the 17th century, but less than two centuries ago. It is violent, it is intolerant, and it is fanatical beyond measure. It originated in Arabia, and it is the official theology of the Gulf states. Wahhabism is the most extreme form of Islamic fundamentalism, and its followers are called Wahhabis.

Not all Muslims are suicide bombers, but all Muslim suicide bombers are Wahhabis � except, perhaps, for some disciples of atheist leftists posing as Muslims in the interests of personal power, such as Yasser Arafat or Saddam Hussein. Wahhabism is the Islamic equivalent of the most extreme Protestant sectarianism. It is puritan, demanding punishment for those who enjoy any form of music except the drum, and severe punishment up to death for drinking or sexual transgressions. It condemns as unbelievers those who do not pray, a view that never previously existed in mainstream Islam.

It is stripped-down Islam, calling for simple, short prayers, undecorated mosques, and the uprooting of gravestones (since decorated mosques and graveyards lend themselves to veneration, which is idolatry in the Wahhabi mind). Wahhabis do not even permit the name of the Prophet Mohammed to be inscribed in mosques, nor do they allow his birthday to be celebrated. Above all, they hate ostentatious spirituality, much as Protestants detest the veneration of miracles and saints in the Roman Church.

Ibn Abdul Wahhab (1703�92), the founder of this totalitarian Islamism, was born in Uyaynah, in the part of Arabia known as Nejd, where Riyadh is today, and which the Prophet himself notably warned would be a source of corruption and confusion. (Anti-Wahhabi Muslims refer to Wahhabism as fitna an Najdiyyah or �the trouble out of Nejd�.) From the beginning of Wahhab�s dispensation, in the late 18th century, his cult was associated with the mass murder of all who opposed it. For example, the Wahhabis fell upon the city of Qarbala in 1801 and killed 2,000 ordinary citizens in the streets and markets.

In the 19th century, Wahhabism took the form of Arab nationalism v. the Turks. The founder of the Saudi kingdom, Ibn Saud, established Wahhabism as its official creed. Much has been made of the role of the US in �creating� Osama bin Laden through subsidies to the Afghan mujahedin, but as much or more could be said in reproach of Britain which, three generations before, supported the Wahhabi Arabs in their revolt against the Ottomans. Arab hatred of the Turks fused with Wahhabi ranting against the �decadence� of Ottoman Islam. The truth is that the Ottoman khalifa reigned over a multinational Islamic umma in which vast differences in local culture and tradition were tolerated. No such tolerance exists in Wahhabism, which is why the concept of US troops on Saudi soil so inflames bin Laden.

Bin Laden is a Wahhabi. So are the suicide bombers in Israel. So are his Egyptian allies, who exulted as they stabbed foreign tourists to death at Luxor not many years ago, bathing in blood up to their elbows and emitting blasphemous cries of ecstasy. So are the Algerian Islamist terrorists whose contribution to the purification of the world consisted of murdering people for such sins as running a movie projector or reading secular newspapers. So are the Taleban-style guerrillas in Kashmir who murder Hindus. The Iranians are not Wahhabis, which partially explains their slow but undeniable movement towards moderation and normality after a period of utopian and puritan revivalism. But the Taleban practise a variant of Wahhabism. In the Wahhabi fashion they employ ancient punishments � such as execution for moral offences � and they have a primitive and fearful view of women. The same is true of Saudi Arabia�s rulers. None of this extremism has been inspired by American fumblings in the world, and it has little to do with the tragedies that have beset Israelis and Palestinians.

But the Wahhabis have two weaknesses of which the West is largely unaware; an Achilles� heel on each foot, so to speak. The first is that the vast majority of Muslims in the world are peaceful people who would prefer the installation of Western democracy in their own countries. They loathe Wahhabism for the same reason any patriarchal culture rejects a violent break with tradition. And that is the point that must be understood: bin Laden and other Wahhabis are not defending Islamic tradition; they represent an ultra-radical break in the direction of a sectarian utopia. Thus, they are best described as Islamofascists, although they have much in common with Bolsheviks.

The Bengali Sufi writer Zeeshan Ali has described the situation touchingly: �Muslims from Bangladesh in the US, just like any other place in the world, uphold the traditional beliefs of Islam but, due to lack of instruction, keep quiet when their beliefs are attacked by Wahhabis in the US who all of a sudden become �better� Muslims than others. These Wahhabis go even further and accuse their own fathers of heresy, sin and unbelief. And the young children of the immigrants, when they grow up in this country, get exposed only to this one-sided version of Islam and are led to think that this is the only Islam. Naturally a big gap is being created every day that silence is only widening.� The young, divided between tradition and the call of the new, opt for �Islamic revolution� and commit themselves to their self-destruction, combined with mass murder.

The same influences are brought to bear throughout the ten-million-strong Muslim community in America, as well as those in Europe. In the US, 80 per cent of mosques are estimated by the Sufi Hisham al-Kabbani, born in Lebanon and now living in the US, to be under the control of Wahhabi imams, who preach extremism, and this leads to the other point of vulnerability: Wahhabism is subsidised by Saudi Arabia, even though bin Laden has sworn to destroy the Saudi royal family. The Saudis have played a double game for years, more or less as Stalin did with the West during the second world war. They pretended to be allies in a common struggle against Saddam Hussein while they spread Wahhabi ideology everywhere Muslims are to be found, just as Stalin promoted an �antifascist� coalition with the US while carrying out espionage and subversion on American territory. The motive was the same: the belief that the West was or is decadent and doomed.

One major question is never asked in American discussions of Arab terrorism: what is the role of Saudi Arabia? The question cannot be asked because American companies depend too much on the continued flow of Saudi oil, while American politicians have become too cosy with the Saudi rulers.

Another reason it is not asked is that to expose the extent of Saudi and Wahhabi influence on American Muslims would deeply compromise many Islamic clerics in the US. But it is the most significant question Americans should be asking themselves today. If we get rid of bin Laden, who do we then have to deal with? The answer was eloquently put by Seyyed Vali Reza Nasr, professor of political science at the University of California at San Diego, and author of an authoritative volume on Islamic extremism in Pakistan, when he said: �If the US wants to do something about radical Islam, it has to deal with Saudi Arabia. The �rogue states� [Iraq, Libya, etc.] are less important in the radicalisation of Islam than Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the single most important cause and supporter of radicalisation, ideologisation, and the general fanaticisation of Islam.�

From what we now know, it appears not a single one of the suicide pilots in New York and Washington was Palestinian. They all seem to have been Saudis, citizens of the Gulf states, Egyptian or Algerian. Two are reported to have been the sons of the former second secretary of the Saudi embassy in Washington. They were planted in America long before the outbreak of the latest Palestinian intifada; in fact, they seem to have begun their conspiracy while the Middle East peace process was in full, if short, bloom. Anti-terror experts and politicians in the West must now consider the Saudi connection. """"""""""""

My opinions are based on real world contact with muslims. Not what I read on ther internet.

Your earlier post refers to muslims as "these people" in multiple instances that comes across as all muslims.

And BTW, I joined the Marines in 1979, 25 years ago. Been on continuous active duty since then. Spent over 7 years in various and sundry overseas garden spots, including over three years of hostile fire pay for service in El Salvador, Croatia, and Iraq. So you might rethink the condescending "sonny" and "short pants" bit.

You might not know as much as you think, about me, or the world in general.

MM

Good shooting Sergeant Major, round on target, fire for effect. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

"""""""You might not know as much as you think, about me, or the world in general.""""""""

And vica-versa. You might have considered that before you "started" the insults and condecension. By "these people" I was talking about the wahhabi muslims. If you are unsure of who/what I meant maybe you should have asked me instead of wildly assumeing.

""""""You might not know as much as you think, about me, or the world in general."""""""""

And you know less about me. Maybe you ougt to take lessons in how to talk to people, and/or how to state your views. You just might learn something here. Im afraid you have a dangerously niave opinion on this puritanical form of Islam, if you even knew about it before I posted. I find most Americans do, and dont! Aint it funny how people believe what they want to believe, and not what is. We dont "want to believe" that a religion can inspire such terrible acts, so we dont! Even when the evidence so overwhelmingly supports the facts.

Until you get some knowledge of what your trying to talk about I cant have a conversation with you. Since you have so many "nice" real world contacts with Muslims the threat of Wahhabi inspired terrorism doesnt exist right? And their hundreds of prior acts of terror never happned correct? And anyone that says they did "doesnt know what hes talking about", right? Wow, what a man of the world you are.

Heres some more of that silly "book knowledge" made by people who "dont know what they are talking about".
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/

No problem with reading comprehension here.

This was your post. The first one in this thread. Not one thing in here about Wahhabi. Only broad references to "muslim people" and "they".

These generalizations elicited my initial post on this thread.

Now I understand what you meant, but were unable to accurately convey in your first post. So, problem solved.

You might also be surprised to know that the "christian soldiers" yuou seem to label the US Military, is chock full of men and women of every religion you can imagine. I myself was surprised that aboard the USS Kearsarge, during our deployment last year, there was weekly Wikken services, for all the little witches in the Navy. Never woulda thunk it.

An unlikely bunch of "christian soldiers", but we all seem to get on together and carry out whatever mission is at hand quite well.

MM

""""""""""I agree shootist. What really bothers me tho is the intolerance toward other religions in many of the Islamic countrys, some of whom expect us to believe they are our friends.

Islam in America is certainly not our enemy. However there is a "sect" of Islam, called Wahhabism, that has chosen us as an enemy. Wahhabism is the driving force behind todays Militant Islamic fundamentalism. Dont understimate this gospel of hate. Is it to farfetched to think that Satan is behind such an extremist movement?

And these tyrannical Govt.'s that have fostered it, have exported it, and have nourished it, how can we call them anything but enemies?

And how do we fight it? I have researched Wahhabism a lot and its not a pure political movement, far from it. Even if we remove the Govt.'s that foster it, by force, this hatefull, intolerant form of Islam will exist.
"""""""""""

AW gee, I thought this is what I posted, other then talking about Saudi Arabia which IS an entirely wahhabi country and IS an entire country of terrorists, their sympathizers, and their supporters.

""""""""""You might also be surprised to know that the "christian soldiers" yuou seem to label the US Military, is chock full of men and women of every religion you can imagine. I myself was surprised that aboard the USS Kearsarge, during our deployment last year, there was weekly Wikken services, for all the little witches in the Navy. Never woulda thunk it.

An unlikely bunch of "christian soldiers", but we all seem to get on together and carry out whatever mission is at hand quite well.
"""""""""""

Yeah, I know. Look at the pic by my name. Recognize the weapon? My implication of "Chriatian soldiers" was Christians everywhere. And I was talking to the Christians here.............10