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Your pic is a tad grainy, but looks to be an M16 or AR15.

I'm not making the connection though.

Are you implying that those who are armed with an M16 worldwide, are your "Christian Soldiers" ?

You were only talking to Christians here? That must be another one of your cryptic messages, as your initial post. I'm not getting what that statement has to do with our conversation, but I'm all ears...

MM

This is a good discussion. Learning a lot here.

If an Oliver Cromwell were to arise in America and he assembled an Ironside Army, would that be a good thing? Sometimes I think it would be, a good house cleaning would do some good, but sometimes it all backfires on you big time, more or less as Cromwell's reforms did.

Montana Marine; I spent 4 years in a Navy Engine Room, no witches back then, just perhaps 12 Christians on a ship of 1200, two chaplains, one was a believer the other was a devil. Do these wicca whacko's have official Chaplains? I heard they did.

At least they still pray to Jesus over at the Naval Acadamy, not so down at VMI. Wonder what Stonewall would think of that. His bones is buried down there I think.

""""Are you implying that those who are armed with an M16 worldwide, are your "Christian Soldiers" ?"""""""

Nope I was implying that I already knew what religions the US military was "chock full of" thru a personal, 4 year, experience............10

Dixie,



I couldn't tell you about whoever presided over the wikken(sp?) congregation, or even how many attended.



It was one of those deals where over the 1MC comes "wikken services will be held in the ship's library in 10 minutes". The first time I heard it, I asked another Marine "what's wikken services?" because I had never even heard the term before. The younger generation seems to have awareness of this, they schooled me up on it. I guess they've been watching too much "charmed" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />



MM

Roger 10 point.



So you were over in the Middle East back around 79? Were you in the Sinai?



Hey 10 point, I cant blame you for being pissed off at my first comment here. I did come out of the gate pretty hard. So I'll try to give my opinion in a less caustic fashion.



I wouldn't necesarily label this war as religious or political(per your initial posted questions). I would say "vital national interests". In this case, I believe those "interests" to be related to economic and national security issues.



MM

No, my main station was in Turkey, tho I floated in and out of several countrys. Almost got an invite to Iran in Nov '79, but Jimmy Carter figured an embassy getting stormed wasnt worth fighting for. Thats when this war really started.

Lived under terrorist threats and martial law for 19 mos ,and lost a few friends to the bastards. We lost a lot of Americans to Islamic terrorists back then too. I am no stranger to that mindset.

I dont necessarily think were in a religious war against Islam. Islam is no more dangerous a religion then any other. But we are in one against Wahhabi Islam. I am sorry some find that statement Politicaly incorrect, but how far has political correctness got us? These two faced Gulf Arab countrys, that our kids have died to protect, have been stabbing us in the back since the get-go. Pretending to be our friends while supporting Wahhabism, the Madrasses, and terrorists with their dollars and their loyalty. Americans had better wise up. Especially that rotten whorehouse "The House of Saud".

Things are changeing. American pressure has forced grudgeing cooperation in Oman, Qatar, UAE, and even some in Yemen. Al Qaeda made a terrible strategic mistake of attacking Muslim targets in Saudi, and Saudi Govt. officials. Now the Saudi Govt. is cooperateing more and going after Al Qaeda operatives. But the important thing to remember is that they are only doing it only because the House of Saud is threatened, not because of attacks against western targets. Saudi Arabia has always had a tacit understanding with Islamic terrorists that they can do anything they want as long as they dont operate in Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda sympathizers and fianancers have been traced into the upper levels of the Saudi Govt. Its the Saudis whoi have been the main fiananciers of terrorism. Their oil money has bought a lot of apologists in the American Govt. too.

Sure they deny it. The entire Arab world is in denial. Most believe 9/11 was actually a Jewish plot and none of the attackers were Saudis. This problem isnt going to go away either, even after we put Osamas head on a spike. The Islamic world is still a place of tyrrany, petty dictators, lack of freedom, and they are still exporting terrosim and fianancing the Madrasses. Which are still churning out hateful,ignorant Jihadists.

Every war is political. Thats what war is ; Its the "resolution of political conflict thru violence". This war is also religious, and thats cause the enemy decided it is. And I dont think we should fight the Muslim world. But we have to force democracy on it, we have to force change. Even if we have to use our military to do it...........10

Our govt could care less about the politics or religion of other nations. Our govt does care about anything that impacts on our vital national interests. In this case economics and security. And our govt is more than willing to resolve economic and security issues through overt or covert violence.

There are dozens of brutal regime's of various non-Christian religion that have politics ( if you can even label a brutal tyrrany as being political) completely different than ours. Our govt is really not bothered.

Once the threat to the USA is neutralized and the Middle East has become an open market for American goods, the folks on Capitol hill won't give a hoot who is in charge, what the political practices are, or what religion is practiced. (can you say China?)

Money and security...

All my opinions of course.

MM

Voice of the Martyrs has been documenting the violent suppression of ethnic Chinese Christians living in Indonesia for the last five years or more. I read one of their articles in about 1998 where the Moslems broke into the apartment building where most of the Chinese Christians lived. They systematically raped the women, and killed the men and in some cases raped the women until dead. VOM had the eyewitness testimony of one young women who survived but her sister and father did not. VOM had subsequent articles on the burning of Christian Churches all over Indonesia, sometimes with the believers inside. This was all happening way before 9/11.

I wish Carter had not tilted the scales to allow more and more Moslems to immigrate into America. As a community taken as a whole they are a Trojan Horse. Sounds brutal and biggoted but that is what I feel.

10point...

Thought you might like this article by Pat Buchanan:

A new era of Christian persecution

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Posted: August 9, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


� 2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc.


"If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you." So Christ told his disciples, and so it has again come to pass.

Not since Stalin's time have Christians been so savagely persecuted. But it is no longer communists who are the great persecutors, but Islamist mobs from Africa to the Balkans to Indonesia.

Last Sunday during evening services, terrorists detonated car bombs outside five Catholic churches in Mosul and Baghdad. A dozen worshipers perished. Scores of women and children were injured.

Now the Christians are fleeing. In Damascus, Rita Zekert, who heads the Caritas Migrant Center, says that where, a year ago, the refugees were Shiite, Sunni, Christian and Kurd in rough proportion to each's share of the population, "nowadays, 95 percent of the people coming to us are Iraqi Christians."

According to the New York Times, these refugees "tell of Christian shopkeepers killed by Islamist gangs for daring to sell alcohol, of family businesses sold to ransom stolen children ... They left Iraq, they say, only because they were too terrorized to stay."

"All Sunday's attacks were against Catholics rather than Eastern Orthodox churches, suggesting that Christians who owed their allegiance to Rome had become targets in the anti-Western campaign, Catholic clerics said," says the Financial Times, adding, "Iraq's 650,000-strong Christian community is depleting fast. Most of the 3 million Christians of Iraqi origin now live abroad, mainly in the U.S. and Western Europe. Tens of thousands have moved to Syria and Jordan, many crammed into tenement blocks, living on charity, banned from work and waiting for visas out of the Arab world."

From Lebanon, scores of thousands of Catholics have fled in recent decades, leaving those behind as a shrinking minority in a Muslim land where they once flourished and, indeed, led.

Last May, in Nigeria's second city, Kano, Muslim youth went on a midnight rampage with cutlasses, clubs and machetes, massacring 600 Christians and leaving their bodies in the streets. Sixteen churches burned to the ground. The senior Muslim cleric in the city ordered all Christians out. Some 30,000 were driven from their homes.

In Kosovo in March, Albanian mobs, enraged over false rumors that Serbs were responsible for the drowning of three Muslim boys, looted and torched 17 monasteries, churches and convents. To protect these same Kosovar Albanians, the United States launched a 78-day bombing campaign on Belgrade and Serbia in 1999.

All the world is today focused on Darfur in the western Sudan. Forgotten are the millions of Christians in the southern Sudan who suffered torture, slavery, mutilations, rapes, starvation, massacres and exile at the hands of Sudanese soldiers after Khartoum declared Islamic law for the nation.

Between 1974, when Indonesia invaded East Timor, and 1999, when East Timor voted for independence, the United Nations has documented at least 120 massacres, with many involving hundreds of dead in this small Catholic country. After independence, Indonesian troops slaughtered over 1,000 East Timorese in rage over their decision to break free of Jakarta.

In Egypt, the 6 million Christian Copts have begun openly to protest persecution by Muslim fanatics and local authorities. If, as President Bush has assured us, "Islam is a religion of peace," what is going on? Why the persecutions? Why the rampages and massacres to force peaceful Christians to flee their homes in Nigeria, Sudan, Kosovo, Iraq, Egypt, Indonesia?

Answer: What is going on in the Islamic world is something akin to what happened in Europe from the Spanish Reconquista in 1492 through the Thirty Years War. As Isabella was determined to expel the Moors and de-Islamicize all of Spain, militant Muslims are today determined to expel all Christians and to de-Christianize the Islamic world.

They intend not only to drive Americans out of Iraq, Saudi Arabia and other Arab lands, but to drive the Christian minorities out � as aliens, traitors and collaborators of the West. Islamic terrorists are engaged in what has been called Fourth Generation warfare, warfare by non-state actors, warfare that will not be defeated with Tomahawk missiles and F-16s. And the militant Islamists conducting this form of warfare against Christian minorities in their midst are only confirmed in the justice of their jihad by America's imperial presence in Iraq and our domination of the Middle East and Arab world.

The Western empires came and conquered the Islamic world in the 19th and early 20th centuries. They then departed or were driven out in wars of national liberation. But the Christian minorities who had lived peacefully there for 20 centuries, and who were left behind when the West went home, are now paying the price of our occupations and of militant Islam's determination to purge and purify the Dar al Islam of all the hated residue of the Christian West.