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I need to know what you guys think for the Toyota. I know some of you like the Yodas and some don't but I do a lot of driving and I found one of these at the local GMC dealer. 2001 with 57K and all the bells and whistles. Do any of you have one or have any first hand knowledge of these. I have never owned one or driven one--the driving part will be changed tomarrow. What is a good price for a truck like this. KBB has is for about $19000 which sounds like a hell of a lot of money. Let me know what you think. Thanks, OKH

I'd say thats a bit steep in regards to price. I know vehicle price varies by locale,but my Brother just bought one and he lives in SoCal. His is a 2003 version of the truck you're looking at,and he only paid 24K brand new.

My wife and I own two, an '02 ExtraCab and a '03 DoubleCab. Oh, What a Feeling!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

You can't go wrong with a Toy, rugged and dependable....kinda like a Leupold! And they are made in the USA by American labor (well, kinda sorta <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />)

MtnHtr

I purchased mine new in '98. TRD extra cab. Have 85,500 miles on it with no problems (nock on wood). Never tuned up. Second set of tires. Just replaced the Bilsteins. Toyota warranty would'nt cover the blown seals. Believe I paid 24K. If I were you, I'd go with the Tundra if your lookin to put four people in the truck. Four adults in a Tacoma and your gonna feel the power loss.

I really don't think that I will ever put 4 adults in it. My wife and I plan on having a kid before too long and the single cab GMC I am driving now just won't go that route. I am 6' and I could fit in the back pretty easy. Wouldn't want to ride in there a long time though. OKH

OKH, I have a 2000 Tacoma extended cab with the trd package. I really like mine. I do wish now and then that I had gone with the tundra because of limits on towing with the tacoma. I have the V6 and it has lots of power in the mountians. Also it does better on the jeef trails than a full size or a tundra would. tom

I have owned 15 Toyota Pickups and ALLLL have been absolute gems. Several have gone over 250,000 miles with NO major work and very little minor work. I run them hard and play off road A LOT! They are extremely dependable and really hold their resale value. They are easy to work on and when and if you do need parts, they aren't any more than other brands, often times MUCH less. I would offer the guy $17,000 for the double cab and negotiate from there.

The V6 motor has a lot of torque, especially for a small 6. You won't be wanting for power, even with a full load. I laugh when the American die hard truck owners try and compare the torque of a Toyota 6 cyl to a big V8. Of course the V8 is going to walk away, but the Toyota 6 will give the 8 a run for for it's money. I like the 4 cyl's better for mileage and clanking around the hills. The new 4 cyl's have GREAT torque and power. I love both of mine. I couldn't ask for a better product. Flinch

Flinch, I pass V-8's all the time in the mountians unless I am towing my 5x10 trailer with a load in it. tom

I took my wife to look at the truck last night and now she really wants me to get it. I have never seen her like that. She usually doesn't care one way or the other but on this one she really likes it. I think she wants to drive it:) OKH

I found another about $17000 so I will try and hold that over the dealers head tonight. OKH

Read my rant on the Ford belt tension pulley.
Buy a Toyota a and spend your free time hunting varmints. Buy a Ford and forfiet your weekends under the hood.

Good luck, cept I would go 4 cylinder unless you tow. I drove my 4 cyl 92 yota to Montanna and back without a hitch. Stupidist thing I ever ever did was trade it in on an F250 cuz I had to have the full size rig... Never again. Older and wiser now!

Our last 3 vehicles have all been toy's. The x-cab 4X4 truck is a 94, pre-Tacoma, w/ 110k and runs great. Change the fluids regularly, and it should go 200k fine.

We pulled a grossly overloaded 14' Wells Cargo trailer all the way up from Kalifornia, and while we couldn't keep highway speed up the mountain passes, it made it fine.

Stopped tonight and looked at the new Double Cab Tundra's. Was very impressed with it. Previously had my heart set on a Ford but am now rethinking that. Anyone know of a message board for Toyota Trucks?

Toyota needs to put a small 4 or 5 liter diesel in the Tundra. THAT would be awesome. My buddy had an 80ish toyota 4x4 with a small diesel in it. We could putt around all day in the mountains and never move the needle off the full mark.

One and all -- what level of towing does that go for?

I'm thinking about a "new used" truck in the next year or two. Parameters would be an extended cab (for secure/weatherproof/accessible gear storage, not passengers) and 4x4 (because I'm sick of getting stuck on the way to & from hunting).

I would like to be able to tow a light trailer with a 14' aluminum V-hull -- no big motor and not full of all my worldly goods. (Maybe some decoys, though.)

Also, I'd really like an auto transmission -- not studly but I've got tendinitis in my left knee from driving in the $#^%$&^ traffic here.

John

Went and drove the truck last night and I was impressed. That thing moves better than I figured it would. He wants too much and so I told him to call when he could get a better price worked out. I figure that will be some time this morning. I would also like to hear what the limit of towing on these are. OKH

OKH the towing info is on the data plate in the driver door frame. The curb weight is on the plate and you use that to determine the towing. tom

Having been through two vehicle searches in the last two years, I spent considerable time perusing the car/truck forums and also the vehicle boards of the hunting/shooting forums. FWIW, I bought a Toyota Tundra V8 Extended cab to replace a very reliable but 12 year old F-150 with 140,000 on it.



Funny thing - according to the collective thoughts of the public, if you own a Dodge, Ford or a Chevy, you either have the greatest and most reliabe vehicle since two feet were invented, or you have the biggest POS ever fostered on the unsuspecting masses, depending upon the individual experiences of the owner.



But, no one ever bad mouths a Toyota - at least not for mechanical reliability. They may rust, or if you haul bricks for a living they may not be powerful enough, but for a gas and go vehicle that can still handle some rough terrain and about 90% of what an average joe will ever need a truck to do - I have not ever seen one complaint.



There may be better machines for other purposes. But I like to keep things simple and buy things that I know won't let me down - that's why I like Leupold scopes and why the next truck I buy will almost assuredly be another Toyota.

I tow with my trucks a lot. I haul around a 1,100 lb. Crestliner bass/walleye boat about 3 times a week. My truck had a 4 cyl 22R engine. It wouldn't do 75 up the mountain passes, but no problem keeping up to speed on the flat. I would put the transfer case in low range for pulling it out of the water on the boat ramps (leave the hubs free) and it does everything I could want it to do. Last year I upgraded and bought a 99 Tacoma with the 4 cyl engine. WOW...what a huge increase in horsepower! I went to Colorado last year hunting with a buddy for a week. We had it loaded heavy cab high. We got 21 miles a gallon and kept it around 75 the whole way, even in the mountain passes. ATV trailers and boats are no problem with the newer Tacoma 4 cyl engines. The older 22R engines were a bit lacking, but the new 4 cylinder engine has more power than the older V6 engines. Flinch

I concur on the Yota's, I'm on my 3rd one all 4cyls. I don't make a habit of it, but have been known to tow my 20 ft. boat w/115 or my 4 place snowmachine trailer loaded w/ sleds with just my little Toy. Looks funny but it works in a pinch when and if my fullsize GMC is visiting the car doc.

Flinch,

Thanks, that eases my mind a LOT about the prospect of shopping since there are way more used 4s around.

Come to think of it, my old carpentry boss had an '87 4 cyl. and I once drove an even ton of construction debris to the dump in it. No power problem, and in fact the ride was a lot better!

No way my boat weighs 1100 since my bud and I easily lifted it by hand into the back of his Dodge.

John

I'm another very satisfied Toyota owner and am waiting for the new Taco to be out in the Spring. It will be a bit larger as I presume it will be on the new 4 Runner chassis...like three inches wider in the cab.....thus wide enough between fender wells for my ATV....

Recently, I ran across an article written by a Special Forces member in Afghanistan where SF is using Taco crew cabs for their work and he was praising those little trucks....

My 98 T100 just won't quit....240K miles and just put second change of plugs and timing belt.....can't beat it

I am sort of in the truck market my self, but first something has got to go, probably get rid of the Porsche and BMW I am tired of problem children. I like the looks of the new Toy but wonder if it will handle my camper and boat. I currently Drive a old 90 Ford F-250 Diesel, it pulls like a locomotive, rides like an old buck board, sounds like a mountain logger skidder and goes anywhere. i could keep it for camping and try a gasser, toyota, The camper is a 10 fter and pretty stout, the boat is a tin one thats not to heavy would the Tundra do the duty?

Bullwnkl

I currently own a '02 Tundra Trd/extra cab. It is a nice truck, with an amazing engine. I regularly pull 3,500 - 5,500 lb. trailers, with a contractor box in the bed as well. My nrother is a dealer and one Sunday we did a little impromtu road test; his 18" Venture bass boat and very long curvy grade. The Tundra pulled the boat thru the gap at over 70 mph. We tried 2 different V8 Z71 Chevy trucks and neither would take the same load over the gap above 60 mph.
I have over 100k. on this one already with zero problems.
That said, I used 2 other Toyotas, Tacoma/4x4/extra cabs/ 4cyl/ automatic tranny, pickups to pull the same loads. I put over 500,000 miles on the pair with absolutely zero work under the hood, I did put plugs in both. The 4 banger auto will fool you, its not super quick, but it will roll right along.

What kind of mileage do you guys with the Tundras get V8 or V6? Just wondering what the difference between them and the Tacoma is. OKH

Another satisfied Toyota driver here. Here's a link to a a good web site for Tundras and and Tacomas. (You may need to register to use.)

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/

The mileage is a big difference between full size v-8 and compact v-6. I am in the same market, but I am waiting till next year. I am thinking, crossing my fingers, that the tacoma will have the v-6 that the 2004 4runner has. 245HP!!
Anyhow, my brother in law gets 12.5 in town, and 16 on the highway with Tundra. I have heard of the v-6 tacoma getting up to 21 on the highway, and I think 17-18 around town. Hope this helps.

I mostly drove my Tundra extended cab V8 around town for short trips - like commuting to work nearby and what not, or for driving 100 miles round trip to Boise. Got right about 16-17 mpg overall.

FWIW, I decided to trade it for an urban runabout when I moved to Boise for a job change and got a Honda Accord V-6. Lead foot me gets right about 20-21 mpg out of that in city driving, which is 99% of it's usage.

My $.02 ..

I have a 2002 Tundra V8 TRD.. with the extended cab.. It is not only the best riding truck I've ever owned .. it's the best riding vehicle I've ever owned. However, I've never owned any thing that would be considered a "luxury" car..

It has loads of power ( Lexus motor ) .. and I get 16/17 MPG.. which does not seem to vary from around town to hghwy speeds. The "push button" 4WD is a dream and comes in handy where I live in hilly snow/ice country. I can seat 4 adults, as long as the folks in the back are not too tall ..

As far as price goes.. I wanted a nice used, low mileage truck.. Anything decent was almost as much as a new one..
So I decided to buy new, and with factory rebate and an aggressive dealer I was able to get a pretty fair deal on it..

Only one problem.......My wife loves it.. we may have to become a two Tundra family!!

GOOD LUCK..

Al....

My wife has a 4runner that we bought new in '97
We just had it tuned up last week for the first time in 75000 miles. This is the first money we have put in it except gas and oil.
I bought a new Dodge ram the same year, Wish I could say the same for it! Was going to buy a new cummins Dodge this year, but put my "truck money" in home repairs instead.
Am now rethinking....Maybe a new Toyota truck is in my future.
Virgil B. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I have a '01 V6 Tacoma Double Cab 4wd with the TRD package. It is by far, the most useful vehicle I have ever owned. I have just under 50K miles on it now, and no problems. The TRD package includes a selectable locking rear differential. If I put it in 4 Lo and lock the diff, it is an absolute mountain goat. I have three kids, and there is enough room for all of us, and plenty of room for luggage in the back (I have a cap on it). On the highway, I have gotten as high as 23mpg, at higher altitudes (southern CO), but most of the time get just a smidge over 20 (TX). That's doing 70-75mph. Around town, I get 17 - 18.

Power, is ample, if you know where to find it. It's not like a V8 with lots of low-end torque, but, just shift down and get the rpms up, and it will have more power than you will ever need. You need not be afraid of hi revs with this engine. It will scream if you want it to. I have only pulled a trailer once, but it was a 16 ft. flat-bed full of furnature. It dealt with it just fine.

I'm not sure on the price, but I do know that Toyotas maintain their value better than the domestics. Do a little research, and see what the blue book is and then dicker. I think you'll love it if you get it.

John

I have a 98 extra cab. That is the only problem I have with the truck is there isn't enough room for me/the wife/son and dog.

The TRD package is great, I did however remove the TRD sticker. The first thing my dad said when he saw it was why did you buy a TuRD?

I have over 130,000 miles on mine and just had the first set of plugs replaced. It is the best vehicle I have ever owned. I am going to try for the million mile club.

Here's a question for you. How much income, state and social security taxes to the Japanese workers pay to the US?
Surly there's a US made truck that meets your requirements.

The problem is that most likely more of the Toyota is put together by American workers than any of the GMCs, Fords, or Dodges.

You can't play the"buy American" card with me. The Tacoma is built in Fremont, Kalifornia and if I recall, Toyota is owned by Ford. Look closely and the Tacoma reembles the Ford Ranger. I know several people that prctically ooze red, white and blue and they all drive Toyota's.

About the same amount as the Canadians and Mexicans who put together Fords and Chevys (I am not to sure about the Dodge, but my experience with dodge products is so bad that I will never again own one.)

Supertrucker,

For one, I'm not playing the "buy American card." If you read my post it is just the opposite. And secondly, Toyota is not owned by Ford. Toyota is an independent company and publically traded (symbol TOYOF).

Supertrucker,
I think you are referring to Mazda being partly owned by Ford... Not Toyota.

Regards, Matt.

gotta love those toys!!! I have a 99 Taco ext cab with the TRD package in a 4cyl.. I couldnt be happier with them.. I also have a 82 toy pickup 4x4 adn its still going strong little rusty put still runs great... When I moved from NC to PA I had a full bed packed and also had my 82 toy hooked to it.. Goin up hills was slow but on the flat I had no problems.. I wouldnt hesitate on towing that truck anywhere behind my Taco.. I have pulled alot of stuck trucks out of tank trails when I was down in ft. bragg and never had a problem getting them out.. The best time was when me and another guy were out playing on the tank trails and he all of sudden swamped and I mean swamped is toy.. After about 10 mins of him trying to get it unstuck himself we decied to hook my truck to him to pull him out.. Well we just about had it hooked up when these 2 guy's in a Chevy comes by and the driver goes there is NO WAY my 4cyl was goin to pull him out.. I just giggled and said we will see.. So the guy's in the Chevy goes around us and made it about 10 feet when they suddenly swamped his truck... So I said to them after i'm done pulling this one out I will come down there and get ya out.. We finished hooking up my buddies toy and to the Chevy's owner suprise I had little trouble getting him out.. As promised I went down and hooked up to the Chevy and got him out as well.. When he was unstuck I looked at him and his buddy and said How does it feel to be pulled out by a "little" 4 cyl.. His buddy looks at him and say's dude I wont say a word about this if you dont.. I had a good laugh that day... I have 130K on that truck and NEVER had any problems ecept for the normal ware and tare..

Brock

Norm,

I don't know the answer to your question but I'd venture a guess that the tax dollars blown by the liberal politicians backed and funded by the UAW and their brethren FAR exceed the amount not collected from the Japanese workers' paychecks....

Appoligies for my oversight.

Longbob - True to a point but if you look and the percentage of US content you'll see that most of the components etc are mfg in Jpn.

Supertrucker - Look at the statement of US content. I don't care about who owns what. Where is most of the work done?
The foreign label vehicles use more foreign content than do US makers. Assembly in the US is virtually meaningless unless the components are made here too.

Jouneyman - You are right to a point. Libs and Dems and other commies blow a ton of money wateringdown and weakening the human race, granted. But when we buy the work of the foreigners we lose the $$ they'd pay in taxes and the libs, dems and commies will still blow $$.

Norm- The Tundra is at this time only assembled less than 3hrs from where you live in IN...Princeton, IN. I for one no quite a few people whom are VERY happy with their jobs and pay working at the plant. The next Tundra assembly line will be in San Antonio. FWIW, about a year or two ago I read that the most 'American' made vehichle in the world was a Honda Civic. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> By the way, who made the parts or assembled your computer or TV? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Can I mail it back to Japan and have it back in two weeks performing like it was brand new? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Just funnin'

As far as Norm's posts go. When I was looking for a new truck I was working full time and going to school part time, so much of my income was going to classes. My Dodge Omni (187k on it) was starting to show its age and given I had to drive about 25 miles each way to school everyday I was starting to have reliability issues with it. My heart was set on a new plain jane S-10 4x4 with the Ford Ranger as second choice. Bottom line is I couldn't afford either and still continue my education. Toyota was priced up with the Chevy and Ford so that was out. My last choice was the one I could afford ... Plain Jane Nissan 4x4 XE with the 4cyl (made in KY). She is still humming along today with minimal dollars put into her. Not very comfortable esp. with a 90# dog sitting next to me, but its mine and paid for. Bottom line is the American manufactures priced themselves out of my range. Living in the Northeast 4x4 was a priority (for me at least), and a stripped Ford/Chevy/Toyota 4x4 was $3,000 more than what I paid for my Nissan with Air and Cruise (but not much more <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />).

So to answer your question, NO I couldn't find a USA made truck to fit my needs and budget from an AMERICAN manufacturer.

FWIT, Toyota opened an engine plant here in Huntsville last year, to build the V8's for the Tundra. Same engine I have in my 03 Tundra. Good thing is they brought an authentic Japanese restaurant with them. :-) TM

Toyota has/is building an assembly plant in Mexico to shift certain operations from its Fremont, CA plant. Rumour has it was due to CA's tight environmental laws. More on Toyota's mfr here.



FWIW,



The dash boards and seat parts for the Tacoma are manufactured at a plant located about 3mi from my house here in KA. Alot of Toyota's parts are built here instead of Japan. Keep the facts straight please! From their website:



"WHERE DO MANY OF THE PARTS AND MATERIALS COME FROM?

Toyota purchased nearly $15 billion worth of parts and materials from 500 North American suppliers in fiscal year 2002. Since we opened our first North American plant in 1986, our cumulative North American parts and materials purchases have grown to $99 billion. Our relationship with suppliers is one reason that more than 75% of the content in our vehicles is purchased from North American suppliers. This includes everything from windshield wiper blades and seats to catalytic converters."

MtnHtr

I was actually at a Toyota dealer yesterday checking out the new Tundra doublecab. Per the required labeling, the truck was assembled in Indiana out of 60% US and Canada content and 35% Japanese. (Not sure where the other 5% went.) Both the engine and tranny were US/Canada made.

My point exactly. The american auto makers are priced way out of my league. And the vehicles have no where near the quality the toyota has. I looked at the new Chevy colorado yesterday. Almost $27000 for a truck that is smaller, has less room and towing capacity than a full size chevy with a v8 that can be had for about $2000 less. That was with comparable equipment. And the thing probably wont last for more than a few years before it starts giving trouble. I drive a 86 4 runner. It has 240000 on it and still going. It gets driven pretty hard every day and everything except the ac works. And the toys of today are still made with the same quality. No way in hell would I waste my money on a truck from the "big 3". Too high priced and too low quality.

Doesn't look like there are too many bad things to say about a Toyota. I think I have my decision made now. I may wait for a better deal but I know what I will be dealing for. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

www.tundrasolutions.com



The Tundra isn't nearly the machine the Tacoma is. I nearly bought one, but eventually passed and bough something else - a full sized truck. My personal take is that if I wanted a smaller truck I would by a Tacoma hands down. However, the Tundra doesn't fare very well against the big 3's full sized offerings - which is really where the big 3 have their claim to fame. Even in consumer surveys, the Tundra build quality is pretty much tied with the F150.



If you've never heard anyone badmouth a Toyota, you haven't followed the Tundra closely. The Tundra has quite a few brake problems and doesn't seem to satisfy owners like the Tacoma does. Go to google and do a search on Toyota Tundra Brake Problems and you will see what I mean. Even on Tundra solutions, there are PLENTY of unhappy owners with them. I personally know a couple of people that had them bought back by Toyota when they were on their 3rd set of rotors under 30k miles.



I cannot imagine why anyone would make a 7/8 size truck and put DRUM BRAKES on the back of it - that seems retarded. I do not know if they fixed the problem with the Double Cab or not.

I drove an 85 Toyota 4X4 for quite a long time. Changed the fluids regularly and had few breakdowns (only one comes to mind) At 180,000 miles it still had the original waterpump so I changed it because I was going on some out of state hunting trips. The old waterpump was still tight and did not leak after all those miles and years.

MtnHtr

Pardon my ignorance....

Which is the larger of the trucks, Tundra or Tacoma?

I looked at a new four door Tundra limited yesterday and it stickered for 32k. I didn't have any time to look around any further, how does that price compare to Ford or Chevy?

I guess I didn't quantify my thread. I was only looking at the Tacoma. If I wanted a full size I would get another GMC. Tacomas are awesome trucks.
Westman, the Tacoma is the smaller of the two. The Tundra was introduced a couple years ago. $32K is about par for the course, you can get a little better or worse around here, it just depends on how much you want to shop around and haggle. Take care. OKH

There is one Toyota truck I would avoid and that is the older T100 models. They were badly underpowered with the V6 that was offered in em. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

My .02 My current Tacoma (and the wife's) has a V6 which does pretty good in the power dept, Flowmaster exhaust and K&N filter helps too.

MtnHtr

Those were the two mods that I was seriously cosidering. I don't know what kind of flowmaster I would get. I don't want it to sound like a bee farting in a tin can. There aren't many T100's around here. One of the only ones is an old farmer that lives in the next town. He has talked several other farmers into the yodas and now they say they won't switch back. These guys abuse the hell out of their trucks too. I know what my next one will be though. Tacoma DoubleCab TRD SR5 4X4. This thing is going to have to last me quite a while so it sure took some time to figure it all out. I think that it will go about anywhere that I need to go. OKH

LSU,

There is a great Tacoma forum called Tacoma Territory on the Delphi forums. No help on the Tundra forums though.

Have any of you done any aftermarket modifications to your Tacomas. I was thinking of adding coilovers or a small lift to the front to level the truck out. OKH

I own at 2001 Toyota Tundra, and it is the best truck I've ever driven, riden in, or owned. It has great power. It's little, 245hp, 4.7 l 32 valve V8 will, ( and has) blown the doors off of larger cu. in. 270 hp. 300 hp chevy V8's. Been there, done that. It is so smooth and quiet, you just can't believe it. I traded a 1997 T-100 on it. When I traded the T-100 in I got $18,000 for it. Great resale value on the Toyotas. Cost a little more, but you get what you pay for, and then some when you trade it in. I get about 16.5 mpg all around. 21 mpg best ever on highway. 14.5 in cold snowy weather. It has great quality. We are a Toyota family. Own a new 2003 Camry XLE. Traded a 1998 Camry XLE on it. Got good price for trade in. Never have to do anything but put tires, gas, oil, and brakes on yota trucks and cars. Very reliable, and dependable. Toyota is No.1. Don't believe me, read the reports. The reports sent in by the folks who own them. They love them. Anyone who bad mouths a toyota, just doesn't know anything about them, and they're jealous they don't drive one. I love my Toyota, and you will too. I'd wish you good luck on your purchase, but you really won't need it. Toyotas are built to last.

Hunter01

Some of you may know I have been driving a '94 2WD Toyota for the past 8 years or so. During that time I have had to replace a thermostat, and an a/c pulley. That's all that broke. I had the clutch replaced at 150,000 miles and it was just starting to wear the rivets. Finally at 225,000 miles this past week the head gasket blew. I figured the thermostat was sticking and actually drove the truck about 90 miles before I realized what was wrong. I'm having the gasket replaced and new timing chain and piston rings put in.



But the very best thing is, I went out and bought a brand new '04 Regular Cab 4X4 Tacoma. It's got the 2.7, 4:10 gears, and the electronically controlled automatic. For $18,500.00, over the life of this vehicle, it will be the cheapest 4X4 on or off the road.



Toyotas are built and priced, over the long haul, for the average working man. That's why I've driven them since '89.



I would also like to say, Ford does not even build a regular cab 4X4

Ranger at this time. All the 4X4's are Supercab v6's. I checked out a Ranger Supercab FX4 level2, the full house 4wheel drive, and the sticker was $27,770. For a Ranger?

I had a T100 truck, and drove it for 4 years without ANY problems at all with it. I traded it for my 2001 Tundra which I love and have NO problems with it either, including brakes. I'd like to know where these uninformed folks get their info on things. I run with lots of Toyota boys who drive Tundra trucks and NONE of them have had an oz. of problems with brakes or anything else. Anyone who says Toyota trucks aren't great trucks are either jealous, ignorant, or just don't know what a GOOD vehicle is. You've got to have your head in the sand if you think Ford, Dodge, and Chevy have anything on Toyota trucks. They are the best, hands down. Check the ratings. The ratings are by the owners who drive them. I got $18,000 for my 4 year old T100. How many Ford, Dodge, or Chevy owners can say that. Resale is great on Toyota and so is reliability.