Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire 'Illegal immigrant' an offensive slur? Latinos resent term, compare it to use of N-word for blacks

It is even simpler than that and not political. Digging ditches and doing farm work is seen as demeaning by our kids, when our parents saw it as opportunity. Now SOMEBODY has to do those things or the country grinds to a halt.

Something a little work ethic would cure and politics never will no matter how much money they throw at it!

saddlesore, what about the term "hillbilly"? It rolls off my back like water on a ducks back, why should it bother me? It only become derogative and offensive if you want it too. Most of the times these descriptive words are used only as pun and without prejudice not to demean or offend. But it does happen, some being because they had some bad dealings with those described, not knowing any better as in my case years ago, and there is the plain outright mean people of all races, sects, religion and upbringing.

7400 hunter. I come out of the hill country of SW PA, along the West Virginia border. I was probably in high school before someone explained to me that Dagos,Spics, Hunkies, Micks, Polacks, etc were not the proper terminology to use in refering to ethics groups. Never took it as slur, unless the inference was there with the tone of speech. Been called hillbilly too many times to remember.

But these illegal immagrants are just that imagranst taht came into the country illegal. If a pregnant gal can come in and have the baby her, it's a citizen , and open to all free care as anyone else. I don't begrudge them that, they are just tryimg to better themselves, but it's putting a big strain on our welfare system. wejust had a SUV with 11 of them crash up on I76, killing several. The driver was an illegal, making money out of smuggling them into the country. We also have a lot of Ryder trucks found on the higway with maybe 100 of them crammed in, no water, etc, usually few dead. Also being driven by illegals.

Yes pretty much the same for me only a little later, I was at Paris Island when I learned of new terminolgy. I wasn't using to down, slur and etc. but as a person growing up here in KY that was all I had ever heard and then it wasn't used to down the races then either.



As far as a person being called a illegal Immigrant or alien that is different than a word applied to their color, race, and etc. to me it is a condition that they are in due to the fact they entered this country in a illegal manner. Such as a person knowing law as being a lawyer or a man that broke the law as being a county or state inmate. I don't think they would have a leg to stand on when it is said this is derogatory or slurring them due to their race and etc.



I also understand some of these names come from Ellis Island when the big push on Immirgration was on, due to the way they were marked up on their paper work or some identifying mark on the persons, but not to downgrade their race.

I remember being happy to have a job digging ditches, digging manure and lotsa other unpleasant stuff to make a few bucks and get started. But polititics and accompaning bureaucracy has made it impossible to do that legally any more, or has made the dole more attractive. My question to you is, What are the hidden costs to you and I the citizen and taxpayer, for this "cheap" illegal labor? The corporate farmer etc. and the few that are wealthy enough to afford to pay illegal labor to shovel their dirt and manure and do their landscaping, profit. Others pay the real costs in increased taxes. Averaged out, that labor is not cheap when the bill for the social ills comes due. At the end of my life after breaking my back getting started by shoveling, all I have earned is a big tax bill. Half of my tax bill saved would allow me to pay a couple of bona-fide legal workers a living wage to just follow me around the spread and do the flunky work dig dirt or tighten the bolts, rethatch the roof or whatever, without adding to the social ills like gang-banger crime activity. And if George Bush and his Cronies leaned hard enough on good old boy Vincente fox and his Cronies, and forced them to do right by their people, those good Mexicans would'nt have to or want to come here in the first place. Oh and how about the price in lives we've paid in lives due to our immigration and porous border policies leaving us vulnerable to terrorism, a price we continue to pay daily in blood. Our leaders seem to be willing to make us pay that price, rather than pay a little more for their grunt labor. Ever notice that their children don't go off to fight their wars, and help pay that price? Never. Not as long as the ordinary American Dummy is willing to be a dead hero, they won't. Better to stand aside on that one and line your pockets, play it smart.

That is where it is at!

You and I both know that big business will save at every oppurtunity to enhance the bottom line. We need to block the illegal immigration, fine the sheite out of those that knowing hire the illegals. As to the politicians, all they are out to do is line their pockets as well. The answer is a return to integrity, not likely as the alterative is too attractive. And we have made it so easy to do nothing and still subsist. I think America is the only nation on earth with obese poor that drive to the market to use their food stamps! What is wrong with this picture?

I have to partially agree with Claire Wolfe. I also believe that had we known what was going on and what was going to happen, and been able to get together like the Original Americans, we shoulda shot the bastards a long time ago.
PS Most of my Mexican and South American friends think along those same lines and have been saying so for years now.

My own experience with Mexican Illegals has been that they are generally peaceable, hardworking folks. I figure the very real risks they take to get here has a winnowing effect. Seems to me that the scum among humanity also tend to be cowards, such that the worst elements in Mexico would just as soon stay home and rip off their neighbors down there.



It may be that I'm just naive, or else maybe the numbers have gotten such that the scum are here now too. I will say that, like most everyone else who has actually worked alongside 'em (day labor in New Mexico years ago), I found them to be OK folks. Oftentimes they would share their lunch with me when I had none.



Ain't no penalties around here for disliking whole groups of folks on principle. Rest assured, whatever group you don't like, just as many of them don't like you either, for much the same reasons ("We are all unique.... just like everybody else" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />).



Mexicans??... heck I sleep with one most nights <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />



Blacks???... tell me about 'em, I spent a few years living in a village in Africa. One of the best men I ever knew was in Africa.



I figure most everyone here has some groups they don't like, but that most everyone here is willing to give individuals of most any persuation the benefit of the doubt if they prove themselves worthy. To my mind such folks ain't "racist" at all, just human.



Like most Americans I'm from somewhere else, all my grandparents were Irish, my mom is a British Subject, most of my Hispanic neighbors and in-laws are more American than me.



I do find some irony when my "real" American buddies complain about the ethnic shifts inevitably taking place in our country. Well heck, at least now we know how the Indians felt about things when WE moved in not so long ago.



More than ethnicity what concerns me is the POLITICS of these future people. In my experience Hispanics as a group are pro-Life, pro-religion, pro-family values and most of 'em own guns. In future decades they WILL be a majority in many parts of the country. If we Conservatives fail to aggressively go after the votes of these folks then we collectively have rocks in our heads.



Not many folks who are actually familiar with the Border Country would seriously suggest that we can close our borders. Perhaps we might, but at enormous cost in time and treasure, and probable loss of civil rights.



I'm with some other folks here; these Illegals come here to work, we can't catch all of THEM but we CAN catch a whole bunch of their employers. If we ever muster the political will to do that though expect to put a whole bunch of small businesses owners out of work and to send shock waves through our economy.



Birdwatcher

The canard that "undocumented workers" are "...doing the work that Americans refuse to do." chaps my butt. The fact is: before there were millions of illegal imigrants witin our borders, Americans did all those jobs. Americans just don't want to do houskeeping work for $35 per day. Illegal immigration can also be viewed as a gummint subsidy that acts as a dis-incentive to certain industries automating.
Sure, paying restaurant workers sub-minimum wages holds down costs so I can go out to eat without spending half a weeks wages. I can then use the money saved to go to the GAP and buy clothing that is made in Vietnam. This is all good for me and you (in the short-term) but if you think it will be good for your grandchildren, when they are your age, you need to wake up.

The gummint doesn't have the balls (or the public support) to legalize uncontrolled third-world immigration, but they willfully ignore the law 'cause they believe they know better than mere citizens. That can't be good for the long-run health of the nation.

I'm old enough to remember the "Braceros" guest worker program. I remember them going back home late in the fall, they were happy, mannerly and well behaved and well liked where they worked. They went home with good money in their pockets and looked forward to coming back the next season. There were conditions they worked under and they had to be paid and treated well. There was no shorting them on pay here, making them work under dangerous kconditions and there was not much the Mexican Rico and Corruptos could do to shake them down for their money. I always thought that was the reason it was discontinued, the rats that hired them preferred illegal labor that they could jerk around. George Bush's new plan won't work for that same reason. We can make ten million of the illegals that are already here full citizens tomorrow, bring in ten million legal guest workers the day after that, and the next wave of illegals will be hired to take their place, because those twenty million will no longer be under the heading of "cheap" labor. They'll be guaranteed at least minimum wage and come under OSHA and the labor laws, I mean how in the heck can you make a profit when you actually have to pay them

It all looks pretty complicated to me. And the solution, if there is one is very complicated.

Through it all I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

Regards, sse

"""""""It all looks pretty complicated to me. And the solution, if there is one is very complicated.

Through it all I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

Regards, sse """""

Yeah, keep control of our borders. Out of sheer principle if need be. EVERY other country in the world does why shouldnt we?.............10

10 Point, this got me to thinking. I don't know of ANY free State that has effectively controlled its borders. Totalitarian States seem to have come closest, likely because of internal checks on the movements of their own citizens. Certainly we don't have control of ours.

Birdwatcher

Birdwatcher if , in any other country, you are caught inside that country illegaly. You are gone!! No if ands or buts. In this country we actually have Police Dept's that arent even allowed to notify the feds in case of an Illegal immigrant. You heard me right, we catch one for any reason and we are prevented by Dept. order from notifying immigration.

Any illegal can come here, stay as long as they want, get whatever benefits they want. Yeah it really is that bad. The State of California almost went bankrupt paying for all the services to anyone that swam the Rio. The thing is we dont even try to control them.

I can tell by your statement you arent in a job thats "in the system". Most people dont know quite how bad it is. This whole country has gone mad birdwatcher, MAD!!!!

Here where 2we are in Fla. there are 3 Border Patrol agents for 12 counties, try to get one to come for illegals!

10 Point- which "Rio" are the wetbacks crossing to get to California? Surely you are not referring to the Rio Grande! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Skipper, They cross here in Texas and take the bus to Kalif. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Skipper,

Did you move? I thought it used to say Dallas for your location?

Hey George! Yep, I'm out of that hell hole and back in God's country. I'm sitting on 55 acres about 6 miles west of Marshall, TX. Watched 14 deer come up to a feeder in the back yard this evening. And it's quite, so quite!

We were in Dallas on a one year assignment at a large hospital. Ended up staying 18 months. Did you know that Dallas is the "Crime Capital" of the United States? 5 years running..

I think I related some of my "life experiences" while in Dallas to you. Was burglarized 3 times, attempted assault once(I won), attempted carjacking once(I won, I think) and finally I was shot at 6 times one night- caught that one on video tape.. Yep, I'm happy as a hung-up hound where I am now.

Speaking of hounds, how is that good looking pup of yours? Forgot his name,but I sure like his looks. When we were up here looking for a place, I spied an ad for pups in a local paper. Seems there was an accident between a registered Great Pyrenees female and a registered chocolate lab. I got a male and female. The male is 4 months old and already weighs 60 pounds. They will be impressive.

If you are ever up this way or want a guided tour of Caddo Lake and Jefferson, give me a shout!! Skipper M. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

10 Point... thanks for the explanation, I though you were just talkng about the Border.