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Others can answer your questions, GPA... but not I. I'm done having conversations with you.

Penny

But there is... one of the ten commandments says, "You shall not commit murder." The taking of an innocent life is murder.

Penny

Therein lies the rub. Most human's I know breath oxygen.

How about this for a bumper sticker, "It's not your choice. It's not your child."

I can't speak for the doctors, but I have personally known a number of women who have very real difficulties sleeping at night because of abortions they have had. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it would be the rare woman who would be able to sleep soundly...

Penny

If you're talking about this "church lady," I have a full-time job and a life beyond the Campfire.

But as I told you in my previous post, I'm not interested in responding to any questions you might ask.

Penny

What has always done it for me is the observation that the fetus is a

1. LIVING
2. HUMAN
3. INDIVIDUAL.

All three of those attributes are completely uncontroversial. Remove any one of them, and I'd have no problem with disposing of the result; but with all three present, I have to say the fetus is a person.

I believe abortion is murder. I don't, in principle, oppose it being outlawed as a violation of a person's right to life.

However, from a practical point of view I have never seen a law against abortion that I could support. I don't denigrate the possibility that someday someone smarter than I will come up with such a law; but so far the proposed laws I have seen are either ineffectual, unenforceable, or would lead to an even wider violation of individual rights.

Of course, Roe v. Wade is itself an abortion of jurisprudence and a national embarrassment, and should be overturned on those grounds alone.

I've also know some women that were content with their decision to abort. Obviously a 10 year old isn't of the mind to figure it out on her own, but she was of the body to get pregnant by her grandfather.

I am glad they made the decision to abort.

No, he didn't make any sense at all. But I'd rather respond to those who ask questions sincerely than feed the trolls.

Penny

Beautifully said!!! You've got it. God takes our wrong choices and decisions and the evil acts of people and brings good out of them.

Penny

Then one had better start handing out Social Security numbers during sex.

I'm not one to abort but I'd fight any of you that would force a 10 year old to carry a baby that is the product of her being raped by a family member. You can all kiss my ass on that one.

I agree.

Huh????

Penny

I can jam my head up a woman's you know what but I had better pull out in a few minutes because I wouldn't be able to breath in there.

That is the litmus test for human. If one breaths liquid they are a fish.

Then we should allow people to kill others if they wish, hm? Someone mentioned a year-old child. Is that okay?

Penny

Taking it to the extreme Penny. If it was outlawed, would you send a 10 year old that had an abortion to jail?

And for the record, I think there are plenty of over 40 folks that should be considered for abortion........

I agree. I would never abort a child even if my wife was raped. But what right does someone else have to tell someone else that they can't? Unless you volunteer the time and money to raise that child, and adopt as many children as you can possibly afford, I cannot support something that takes away someone's individual rights that drastically effect their life.



Can you count a fetus as an individual before it can live outside the mother's body?

Can you count a fetus as living before it can live outside the mother's body?

As Steelhead said, humans breathe air. Fetus's lungs and airways are not developed to a point that they can breathe air until at least 16 weeks. So does a fetus count as a human before it can breathe air?



A one year old child can breathe air. If the mother perish's the child can survive. It has developed airways.

Once again, I do not personally support abortion, however I want the government to stay out of people's business. It is a personal choice, and the government needs to stay out of people's personal choices.

That is not the average abortion situation. It is probably something like 1 in a million, or even less than that.

Penny

So right up until the moment that the baby takes its first breath on its own after birth, it is not human???? Hmmmmm....

Penny