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Seems to me that Ackley spoke highly of a 30-350 in one of his books. I don't have a 30 caliber anything at the moment, but I do have a 600 magnum action lying around. Wonder if'n it would work???

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JimF

I can see the development and testing of this Cartridge becoming a dandy article for a gun magazine. Not to mention people flocking to Charlie�s door for the bragging rights to say that they own one. tom

JimF
I cant see any reason why it wouldn't work... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />.....considering case capacity and pressure I think it would run between a 30-06 and a 300 WSM....operate at a safe pressure, feed like lightning, thump a 180 grain Partition with ease.....for North American big game, save bear at close range, what else could a man need ?
Now that I think about it I think it would be the short action version of the 30-06 Ackley Improved......someone has to build one just so we can rib our most worshipful webmaster, Mr Bin.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Charlie

�� a micro-second sooner��? Wait just a doggone minute, here!

I seem to recall reading, seeing as how I just read the article last night, something by a gunwriter of apparently some small experience saying that �recoilless� rounds like the .257 Bob dropped game (well, deer at least) just as quickly as the more harshly recoiling rounds like that shoulder crunching .270.

I also know from first hand experience that a short action Model 700 Classic in .350 Rem. Mag. does NOT fall into the �recoilless� category. And now you want to increase the bullet weight in that same case, which as we all know from our BS degrees in BS (that�s Bachelor of Science in Benchrest Science to the uninformed) will increase recoil even more. Yet you claim that it will drop game a micro-second sooner? Methinks I see a contradiction on the horizon.

Gotcha! Score for the anal-retentive gun owners and magazine readers! The crowd goes wild (or crazy, choose your synonym).


(TIC - FTDOAU) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

You realize the race is on <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />!

Personally, I want to be the first person on the planet to actually KILL something with BS <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

Sure, Mule Deer, the new BS cartridges will drop a deer a micro second sooner than the current line of cartridges and we all love that, but what I have to have is absolute pentration on deer. I mean, the bullet must absolutely hold together, mushroom perfectly and plow through at least a deer's shoulder and continue on out the far side slashing into the mud. If the BS line of cartridges aren't loaded with the $2 per slug premiums, I don't think they'll sell.

I HAVE been thinkin' about a 30 cal. somethin' for the NA one gun deal. I s'pose to be P.C. it'd have to be named whatever Parker named his. 30-350 PABS ??

Hmmmmm......fat (enough) case, nice moderate 25* shoulder, good body taper. Action already designed for it.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Probably a 22" bbl. guessing a 180/2850-2900 and a 220/2600. I'd be staying away from the AK coast, but I'd bet that 220 NP would give an interior Griz a powerful headache.

I probably would not have any trouble telling when it goes off, so I might have to build it heavy, Like 6 lb...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> just so it wouldn't knock my ears clean off my head. Prob'ly want some sort of iron sights too.

Mebbe I better dig up some cases and make a few dummies to see whassup.

Like I really NEED another project......... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Oh yeah!! need don't count.................... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

JimF

JF- Why, when reading your last post, do I get the visions of Gollum arguing with himself in my head???? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Sounds like a winner of a project and I'm waiting for details and pics! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

To make matters worse, I just talked to Julio about painting a batch of stocks this weekend. When I mentioned this idea, he said "hail...I think I have that reamer someplace or other"

I'm not really arguing with myself, I've been thinking about this one for a while anyway. I'm more or less laughing at myself for how easy it is for me to go off on a new project. Course this rifle would make a couple of others obsolete (including that 308 that I haven't even assembled yet)

I think I should concentrate on finishing up the 6.5, re-fininshing the 284 with a better metal coating, put together the 308 on the parts that I already have, finish up the stocks that I promised to do for Julio. Sell off some excess inventory...then start thinkin' about this one.......

Maybe a #2 fluted with a little shorty ramp on the front?? A nice little 4x33 or 2x6x36, probably a short forend Bansner. Have to look into some kind of rear sight.

Grrrrr.......sssssstopit!!........we cants be thinkin' about this now!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

JimF

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I like to see folks in this type of turmoil! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

My Precciioouussss!!!

For a SA thumper, it would be fun. Although, I already have a 9.3 in an Encore. I wouldn't mind trying the "BS" in a 15" barrel.

Can you say 30 SAUM? Oh heck,....what was I thinking?.....30 BS!

Unfortunately, I've only used my 350 RM on deer.....no big game as yet. Therefore, I have leaned toward the lighterweight bullets with the 200g Hornady SP getting the most use. I've often thought how useful the same case would be in 33 cal for the dual use role (deer plus big game) due to the great selection of lightweight bullets in 33 cal. Can't use the 35 cal Nosler BT (225g) in the 350 RM as the ogive of the bullet is too long. (Why did they do this?)

If I ever rebarrel this action, I will probably make it into a 33 cal.......but would probably use the SAUM case if there are no feeding issues (would want to hear more about this). In lieu of that option, a 33-350 RM would be nice in a short action.

HogWild

How about a 257 BS Imp but in this case I think the BS should stand for Bitch Slappin' cuz it will be a bad mutha <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> for anithing under 300 lbs....oops.... I forgot we already have the 25-284 that will fit in a short-action and do the same thing and it doesn't have belt ...but.....it does have the rebated rim.....myabe we could neck down the 450 Marlin as it has a different belt than anything else...we could call it the 25-450 BFD. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

A little early to hittin' the sauce Bill.......... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Seriously, I think the idea of the 350 mag case has a lot of merit. It already has about the capacity of the Ackleyed '06 case so there's no need to Imp it. That moderate shoulder and taper should negate the feeding issues that arise occasionally with the SAM and Whizz.

Any 284 variant is good too, but that rebated rim can be a bother, and the 350 would have at least (some) additional capacity (10%)

Since Charlie started tooting the horn about this one, I have taken a couple 6.5 RM cases and necked 'em up to 30 and stuffed a bullet in there, then I ran em through that 600 mag action I have and they were slick as could be. I'm not a fan of belts either, but it really doesn't hurt anything.

I'm pretty sold on the idea that a 30-350 will be my next project. I don't care about getting "magnum" velocities, but it will certainly be faster than a std. '06 and in a short action too. That's about all I want.

JimF

JimF,

I'm liking it already, if it drives a 165 at or over 3000fps I think you'll have a winner. I may have to have one too or maybe just build a 7/350! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

MtnHtr

Mtn Hunter
I'm thinking those would be really close to a 280 Ackley or a 30-06 Ackley in a short action.....
Charlie