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yes, innocence lost, its heartbreaking

Hardly.

I know several adults who were molested as children. They might be a bit screwed up, some of them, but they're certainly not dead.

Hysterical hyperbole isn't particularly useful.

Of course, neither is this discussion.

Dude, you are so far removed it ain't even fun. You talked with ADULTS.

Did you talk to them as children? What you don't know is amazing to me.

She is not God.....Just God's self-appointed agent!

Look into the eyes of a 13 year old that has been raped for several years and tell me that the child in them hasn't been killed.


What a friggin idiot you are.

So if I happen upon a murder in progress, or someone being severely beaten, or some other harm one person is doing to another... I should just go on about my way? It doesn't concern me, after all...

Penny

If my wife was brutally raped and became pregnant I don't think I could or she could choose abortion. You can bet every last cent to your name that I would abort the SOB that did it. But it ain't the kids' fault......I'd be just as loving to that child as one of my own......with a lot of Gods' help.

Or so I like to think.

Barak, you have commited 80,000 acts of murder in the last 2 minutes. 80,000 skin cells containing DNA fell from your body and died.

Extreme again Penny. Big difference between Barak being beaten buy a bunch of queer muggers and an incest child getting an abortion, though I wish it weren't so.

Actually, in most Kairos prisons there's a waiting list of dozens if not hundreds to get into Kairos. And in all Kairos prisons the prisoners are perfectly free to leave the proceedings anytime they want; the prison doesn't (legally can't) prevent them. Sometimes they do. There's a point during the weekend after which Kairos does not allow them to come back if they leave, of course.

My very first Kairos Weekend, I was given to understand that one of the prisoners was there under duress. He claimed that he was there because he'd gotten a "Class A pass" to be there, and the guy beside me said that meant he had to come. (For the record, he had a terrific time and managed to turn a corner in his life.) Nowhere else have I encountered anyone who was forced into Kairos, and I suspect I may have misunderstood about that one guy, since it was my first Weekend.

We joke about having a captive audience in Kairos, but we really don't.

Please explain to me how I am helping those who have committed the crime.

And we should have love and compassion for all human beings: including prisoners, victims, and unborn children.

Penny

That deserves a quote for '[bleep]' up thoughts

That is your personal choice. If that is what you decide to do to preserve yourself, your family, your livelyhood. What are you going to try for a law now that says I have to go look for murders in my area to try to subdue them? What about if they have a gun and you don't? Are you going to charge them and hope that God's Will is going to keep you from being shot? Now what if the person being murdered was a doctor who performed abortions? Would you be ok with it then?

Here's what I do know: somebody killed as a child doesn't grow into an adult.

Give it up: you're better than this. Ditch the hysterical hyperbole and take a different tack.

Of course, because they are in prison. Where else would folks line up to hear an autistic cop phoebe talk?

I can't speak for the doctors, but I have personally known a number of women who have very real difficulties sleeping at night because of abortions they have had. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it would be the rare woman who would be able to sleep soundly...

Penny

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There's women out there, that it doesn't bother them, that they've had abortions, they sleep just fine.

I hope you don't believe what those prison princess's tell you, hook line and sinker.

I know they got set up by the mean old court system ,dirty cops, dirty DA's dirty judges, or their own dirty defense attorney.

It wasn't their drugs, they were just holding for someone else. They also didn't know that their boyfriend was cooking Meth. or that the boyfriend was going to rob the market on the corner.

Oh! i forgot you can't ask them, what their crime was, but i bet a few tell you don't they?

The big point is no matter how hard the holy rollers, try to force their opinion upon others. The act of giving abortions will go on, within the medical world. There's plenty of takers for the service.

Years ago they blew up an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Al. killed a bunch of folks, do you think that stopped the practice within that city? The same type of bombings occured in other places in the SE at abortion clinics, do you think it ended, the practice throughout the region?

The choice should be that of the woman. That choice shouldn't be determined by Govt/law or some fanatic Bible Brigade.

I only wish you were better at this.

It isn't. How many kids that have been raped have you spoke with?

Let's stop talking about an incest child getting an abortion. I already said that that would be a special case and a decision would have to be made (probably to abort the pregnancy) because a pregnancy and birth would be likely to take the life of the 10 year-old mother.

So please stop trying to make it seem that I am in favor of forcing that particular child to have the baby.

Penny

A skin cell is LIVING and HUMAN, but not an INDIVIDUAL. Same for the cancerous tumor being discussed awhile back. Neither has any rights; therefore there are no rights to be violated.

A corpse is HUMAN and INDIVIDUAL, but not LIVING. Again, no rights.

An eight-point whitetail buck is a LIVING INDIVIDUAL, but not HUMAN. No rights.

But a fetus is all three; therefore, in my book, imbued with human rights.

There have certainly been people in history who did not ascribe human rights to LIVING HUMAN INDIVIDUALs. Generally, though, those situations tend not to turn out well.

So what about the 80,000 murder skin cells that fell off your body? They do have human DNA, so it was murder right?