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WOW!!!!! I sure like to see that!!!!

Still, sub-inch at 300 is good in any book. That's .33 MOA or less.

Go to a NRA High Power Rifle Match and go help pull 300yd rapid fire targets for one of the High Master shooters. Some of their 10rd rapid fire groups will embarrass you.

I can do you one better. Go to a NRA High Power Rifle Match and go help pull 300yd rapid fire targets for one of the High Master shooters. Some of their 10rd rapid fire groups will embarrass you. It will at least let you know what's possible with Iron Sites much less a 6x scope...........................DJ

Shooting them all inside the 10 ring from 100 to 600 either slow or rapid is easy.

I use a 8-32x variable for load testing at 600. I generally am on 24 or less due to daytime mirage, and have shot groups down to almost an inch at 600(IE 1.25 basically, we just tossed a ruler on it before we tossed the target). Some days I'm down to 12-18x. Some days I can use 32. But its rare. I think the high end scopes take a LOT of getting used to and I dont' like all the extra mirage dancing around.

As to low power, it used to bother me till I started in highpower mathces with irons. It doesn't bother me anymore. Though for precision shots I"m still not averse to having 20x available if the conditions allow its use.

Irons, I've shot more than a few half inch 100 yard groups give or take size wise. ITs not hard to do. We do a lot of reduced course shooting at 200 and 300, my prone slow fire groups are 22 shots and generally a 200-12-15x which means with iron sights out of position with a sling, you can ding some tight groups. And honestly if there is no wind at 300 and the light is right to shoot a 5 shot group of an inch or so isn't hard to do. ANd I'm using service sights, not match irons. Shooting them all inside the 10 ring from 100 to 600 either slow or rapid is easy.

A LOT of it is in your brain, you have to know you can do it.

rost,
If you repeat the same sight picture, you can shoot almost as well as the rifle can do. I was shooting an old Enfield No.4 sniper rifle one day, and banged off 5 into .55 at 100 yards. The group on the firing line, mostly just sighting in rifles and playing, moved out to 200 yards, so I did, too. After settling down, I shot another group of .75 at 200 meters, dead center.

The guys beside me said, "You ought to put a scope on that thing and see what it will really do."

My No.4 MkI* FTR is one of the most accurate rifles I have ever owned,

Not all rifles set up by any army as sniper rifles are issued, and some are never scoped. I have a 1903A3 Springfield like that, without the front sight, with a new Redfield base and rings, all minty Parkerizing, but never a scope mounted, and never issued.

My rifle, like my friend's .303, is one of 60,000 selected out of 2,500,000 Enfields gone over by the armories after WWII, and after Korea. Of those 60,000 which showed promise, some were scoped and re-issued to sharpshooters or snipers. Mine was never issued, after having been tuned at Holland & Holland and tagged, and sitting in British armory in Ireland from 1950 until 1992.

My No.4 MkI* FTR is one of the most accurate rifles I have ever owned, and I don't intend to deface it by mounting a scope that did not come with it. The same is true of my 1903A3, although I have the correct scope for it from another Springfield. My M1D does have its original telescopic sight, which I now need to clean and rebuild, so I can keep shooting it.