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I just saw on the news that they recovered Carlie's body. Does Florida still have Old Sparky? If so Joesph Smith needs to have a date with him!!

I appoligize to any/all that are offended my the title to this thread .... just couldn't find a proper way to tone it down.

George, I was thinking a nice slow roasting over a fire pit would work. I would volunteer to handle the basting brush. tom

Make sure your basting his balls with a nice solution of concentrated Nitric and Sulfuric Acid!

Avagadro:

I seem to remember a Commandment that goes like this: "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

It applies to us as judges and juries as much as it applies to the creep who did this terrible thing.

I also recall a passage that reads: "Vengeance is Mine, Sayeth the Lord!" To me this means that the Lord shall have revenge against these creeps, but not us.

I say, lock the bastard up for the rest of his life. Don't let him do it again. But killing him is only revenge. It won't bring the kid back. She is with her maker now. She is not in pain.

Pray for the families left on earth, and look elsewhere for justice.

Terribly unsatisfying answer, but I know in my heart it is the right answer.

BMT

BMT,
I know in my heart that you are right and as a christen I should think the same way, but in cases like this I can not. People like him need to roast here and in the here after. tom

BMT...doesn't that read "You shall not murder" or does the KJV read different?



I think the intent is not to murder. Killing for justice, or in war, is "okay".



Also, I don't think that a death sentence is about revenge.

It is about applying the proper amount of justice to the injustice done. It is not an emontional "revenge" response, but rather the consequence of the most grave actions.



I personally have absolutely no problem with the death penalty and think it is right and just.

BMT:

"Thou shall not kill" is correctly translated as "Thou shall not murder". Killing this lowlife SOB or any other child molesting/murdering scum would not be murder and should be done tomorrow if I had my way, after he was convicted, of course.

Maybe you would have the same feelings if it was your child, I don't know. But if it was mine, they couldn't put him far enough away. I'm a firm believer in vengeance. I'm not certain of the afterlife variety, I'll settle for here and now.

What does letting him breathe for 40 more years accomplish. He's alive, she's dead. Make it equal IMO.

HEAR, HEAR CAT! I would gladly "Murder" the low life SOB. That child was only 11 years old!

And FYI Avagardo, Yes, we still have "Old Sparky". And I have a Tee Shirt with a picture of it and the caption "Regular or Extra Crispy"

I agree with you on the kill vs murder issue, IIFID, but...like stated earlier, the death penalty shouldn't be about emotional revenge, but about justice.

The commandment translates from Hebrew as "Thou shall do no murder"--and capital punishment was clearly not considered murder, since the Bible prescribes the death penalty for many sins.
And, yes, Florida does have the death penalty.

this fellow - if convicted - will be convicted of violating man's law. he will have to suffer man's consequence for his violation of man's law, which in florida can mean the death penalty. he violated God's law, too. he will suffer the consequence for that, too, but after man's consequence.

this guy, by the way, would not have been able to kill that little girl if he had been in the pen where he belonged instead on probation for the latest in a series of convictions.

he had been acquitted - get this - of assaulting and kidnapping a woman off the street. gee, were the clues out there, or what?

Matthias,

That is my take as well. I believe the bible, but as a young man many of the apparent contradictory statements were an aid in helping lose my faith for some time.

As as adult, finding that the true meaning of Thou shall not kill had been replaced for murder helped clear up one of those contradictions.

IMO victims and victims families desires are not given enough weight in the determination of sentences. Uncertainy in my mind, is one of our greatest fears, how many of us have had a terrible weight on our mind at one time or another and eventually the outcome whether in our favor or not was not nearly as bad as the agonizing anguish of how is this going to work out.

I cannot imagine the terror of the mind that most abducted must go through, as the situation degrades and you realize you no longer have control over your personal safety, hope is the last thing we give up before the end.

In my mind justice would be better served in a case like this, if the perp, were to be placed in a room strapped to a table, with a wide array of tools placed nearby. He would then be instructed, that the victims family will be in shortly to either pronounce your sentence or administer justice.

He might get lucky and have a father like BMT come in and pray for him and explain to him you will be imprisoned for the rest of your life....or he might get a guy like me and die an agonizing very slow death. It's barbaric I know, but I believe you fight terroism with terroism. and cruelty with cruelty.
If it was my daughter, I believe under the current way we administer justice, I might prefer that he receive life in prison. Whereupon I would do every thing I could in my power to contact other prisoners families and provide them financial support for their folks inside to make his remaining life a living hell. Every time he goes to the infirmary, your family gets $5000.

I know those won't seem like Christian values to some of you and perhaps they are not, I am not nearly evolved as a man or a Christian as I would like to be, but in my mind the wonder and terror that the perp would go through wondering what is going to happen to him would be more appropro to what they had put their victim through.

If that makes me bound to Hades, so be it, and I don't say that lightly, but if anyone hurts my little girl, you will be looking forward when you see our Lord, cause he's not gonna be nearly as mad as I am. My .75 cents worth. 1ak

Let's just try to understaaaaand just why he did what he did...NOT.

As I understand it, Killing is never OK.

That being said, if I were to cause the death of another person in the course of Defending myself, I would be forgiven.

A Just war operates under a similar concept. The Overthrow of the Nazis required a substantial amount of killing, but it HAD TO BE DONE. The Nazis were systematically killing an entire religous group. It is not OK to kill even in that circumstance, but it is forgivable.

Finally, remember that the Lord stated: "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" This statement was made to a group of men who were about to enfore the death penalty by stoning.

Either way, I know of no Christian denomination that approves of the death penalty. Correct me if I am wrong.

BMT

Most churches I've attended had no problem with it.
Let's just gracefully disagree here, shall we?

It's great idea, but it wouldn't happen for at least 15 or more years after conviction. If convicted he'll have at least one or two shots at the Fla. Court of Appeals and then the Fla. Supreme Court, this could take any where from 5-10 years. Then he can go to the Federal System, Federal District Court, then theirs another Federal Court. That could take up another 10 years or so. There's a case here in TN. that occured in 1970 with the killing of a police officer in Memphis. The convicted killer is still going through the appeal process. Isn't the judicial system great <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Geez..I hear ya. What to do, eh?

I can understand BMT, to a limited degree. But in this instance I'm more of an Exodus person (gotta love Moses). An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth. The life of this scummy SOB for the life of a child who will never know her potential here on Earth? Not a fair trade ... but I'll take it (wonder if I can throw the switch?)!

Go get um CAT!!!! I vote for Charlie as the new jugde. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Puting him behind bars at a cost of $65,000 a year to the tax payers accomplishes nothing. Light him up! Flinch

Yes, it still applies to everyone equally -- but you err in taking kill to mean the same now as it did then.

� Back during the King James era, the generic English term for taking any kind of life (animal or human) was slay -- today, the word kill carries that broader meaning. The commandment does not rule out slaying -- in fact, biblical requirements for slaying are abundant.

� Back then, the word for unlawfully taking a human life was kill -- today, the word murder carries that meaning. Slaying by due legal process is not murder.

This is neither erudite nor esoteric "interpretation" -- it is simple linguistic fact, well known to all well versed students of the Bible. (And in case you don't already know, FWIW, it's coming to you now from an old creep with an earned doctoral degree in biblical interpretation and decades of experience teaching nondenominational biblical theology.)