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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I propose that most depressed teens that become depressed and are given anti-depressants are so because of some seriously [bleep] up parents and/or parent (since single parenting seems the norm these days). Parent/s that have not enough time for their own kids, in short folks with screwed up priorities.

Methinks the chain of events needs to go back to the family core, or lack of.

Obviously this isn't every case, but I'd bet a shiny new nickel it's a bunch of them.

I've dated enough SINGLE moms to know that the majority of these women shouldn't even be allowed to have a cat, much less a child.


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Originally Posted by DanAdair
Steelhead... I have three kids, all girls. Of course I'm depressed. In a couple of years I'll have to work 2 days OT a month just to pay for tampons laugh


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I propose that most depressed teens that become depressed and are given anti-depressants are so because of some seriously [bleep] up parents and/or parent (since single parenting seems the norm these days). Parent/s that have not enough time for their own kids, in short folks with screwed up priorities.

Methinks the chain of events needs to go back to the family core, or lack of.

Obviously this isn't every case, but I'd bet a shiny new nickel it's a bunch of them.

I've dated enough SINGLE moms to know that the majority of these women shouldn't even be allowed to have a cat, much less a child.


Well said.

Ever wonder why they're single?


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Not for a moment, though I have wondered why they have children.


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A paycheck from the government might be the answer1


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Steelhead... I have three kids, all girls. Of course I'm depressed. In a couple of years I'll have to work 2 days OT a month just to pay for tampons laugh


Dude, that is TFF!

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Really? Well, let me tell one: I have four kids, all girls, and my house only has one shower.


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IIRC they found a genetic link for homosexuality about 10 years ago. In all seriousness, that's when I became more accepting of it.

Didn't find one for AC/DC yet.


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You're lucky, I was planning for another response when I saw you had replied.


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There is a time when the egg is fert that it takes on it's sex ,two many x's or y's and it's pot luck from then on.

When there is a true embalance and the woman is six three and whip your ass and out hunt you too,that might be your kind of woman,but she might hate men!


Same as a man that is thin boned,limp wrist and looks and sounds like a little girl,a true Natures twist!

Just leave it be,and either could be your friend,I 'm just saying that it can be DNA more or less x's or Y's much more than

anybody's parenting.

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Originally Posted by Waders
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Steelhead... I have three kids, all girls. Of course I'm depressed. In a couple of years I'll have to work 2 days OT a month just to pay for tampons laugh


Dude, that is TFF!

Travis


Really? Well, let me tell one: I have four kids, all girls, and my house only has one shower.


Dude, that doesn't sound like fun at all... I have 1 1/2 baths, 4 bedrooms, and TWO family rooms. The downstairs family room has kept my sanity. Even with two [bleep] in the house, I find myself waving good morning to the neighbor off the back porch every morning,,,,, while taking a leak.


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I'd do that regardless.


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Are you depressed?


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Pissing outside is what those that don't squat to piss do.


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Originally Posted by JoeMama


I want to propose an alternate chain-of-causality. Most antidepressants fall into a class of drugs identified as selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (common trade names Prozac, Zoloft, Lexapro and others). This class of drugs can do weird things to the male libido.

I propose that depressed teens start out feeling overwhelmed and unable to compete. Then they are dosed with drugs that warp their libido. The only model society offers as an explaination for their initial opting out of the testosterone fueled demolition derby and their subsequent drug induced neutered state is that they MUST be GAY!

Conventional wisdom is that they are depressed because they are gay.

I propose that they think they must be gay because they are depressed and because of the side effects of the drugs commonly used to treat the depression.

All comments appreciated.


Interesting place to seek input on this topic (!), but I have a few things to add. First, I have no experience with the male libido and its effects WRT SSRIs. However, I do have direct experience with a woman suffering from clinical depression who was on SSRIs (Paxil). She was, in fact, a GF of mine once upon a time. I can attest that her libido was *greatly* affected by the drugs.

In a nutshell, the SSRIs led to a significant decrease in hers. In her words, she could not feel what she normally would (opening myself up to a wealth of cracks here!). I tried to bear with her issues, and let things 'work out', even while her mental meltdown was imminent. The last straw was me coming home one night and hearing a clapping noise coming from the bedroom. It was in sheer horror that upon looking for the source of the noise, I saw her sitting in the dark, *slapping* the bejeezus out of herself. I like to think I'm a pretty compassionate fellah, but right then and there I started packing my bags. Off she went to a breakdown. Oh, well. Good thing I saw it for what it was: that chick was freaking straight out bananas!

Apologies for not adding any relevant input, but there it is. wink

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One more comment: every single male I know that is gay was sexually abused as a child. Every one. Nurture, not nature is what I believe on this. Flak jacket ON.

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My observation is that Depression and homosexuality are unrelated. A strictly hererosexual person can be Clinically Depressed just like someone who is homosexual. I think the tendency towards Clinical Depression is hereditary, and that child abuse can push someone over the edge so they have Clinical Depression become manifest within them.

Edit to add: The feeling among kids that they may be gay is because they may have some homosexuality in them. That has nothing to do with Clinical Depression. As Paul said, don't confuse correlation with casualty. Most homosexualy people know that they are homosexual by the time they are 4 years old.

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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Pissing outside is what those that don't squat to piss do.




dude, that's just gross!













well at least according to the womenfolk in my family, the 10 year old thinks it's a grand idea though "hey mom, dad says the world is our urinal"


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As someone who has suffered from, and is currently medicated for, moderate to severe clinical depression, I'd like to weigh in.

First off, a bit of history...I grew up completely normal in a home where I had both parents, no reason to ever feel depressed, but in high school and then moreso in college I just began to feel worse and worse. It wasn't until college that I realized I MUST be depressed -- I started to wonder "if everyone felt this way all the time, why isn't it standing-room-only to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge?" But I was pretty afraid of the widely-publicized side effects of antidepressants and I also was afraid they would change who I was as a person, besides just my depressive symptoms.

It wasn't until after college when I met my future wife that I decided to attempt some medication. I met with my doctor and got prescribed Celexa. Mom and dad were pretty surprised when I told them how bad I had felt and that I was getting medication, but the frank discussion with them led Mom to address her own depression, partly due to menopause and partly due to her own chemical imbalances, which certainly were genetic to me. She had also grown up in an unstable home with an alcoholic dad so I'm sure some of that was situational.

At any rate, as far as the sexual side effects, having depression doesn't make me feel "gay;" depending on whatever is going on chemically in my head at the time, I notice that I either have heightened sexual response (i.e., very intense orgasms very quickly) or completely dulled response (i.e. impossible to climax, lack of interest in sex, etc.) Not to give TMI, just a perspective on the effects that the meds have had on me personally.

I think the causality there might lie in the fact that homosexuality is unaccepted by mainstream society; therefore, people who have homosexual feelings which are repressed are more likely to feel conflicted about their feelings and inclinations and hide them or suppress them which can lead to depression. Guilt and fear of being found out are two huge reasons that could cause this.

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Hey! dlrow! GPA!

C'mon you "guy(s)". Where ya at? We need some experts on this!


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Originally Posted by JAL
This is just wrong, and I doubt you
have any idea of true depression.


I'm not a professional but I have more experience that I care for. My experience isn't a large-scale statistical study but it is MY experience. Many times meds help folks cope but when there's an issue, it's often a nightmare.

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Eg. many are on the wrong med.,or the wrong dose, or don't take them regularly enough. Nothing is obvious as to the best med. for each individual.


Agreed.

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So how would your figures for suicides look if no one was on anti-depressants???


Why don't you tell me.....I'm all ears and REALLY hope I'm wrong!!

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And since when is a medication a guarentee of perfect effect??


Never said it was......I guess that's why one of the side-effects of anti-deppressants is serious DEPRESSION..... smirk


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