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DEMOCRATS ARE PATHETIC

One thing is becoming very clear to me, democrats really don't care about human rights. Thats why they got the black population hooked on welfare, so they "perceived" the demo's where helping them, when in reality, the democrats made the black community dependent on the government for handout's. Relative to human rights, it also appears they really dont care about freeing the Iraqi people, or doing anything that would improve the rights of women in the middle east. Do they really care about women, or are they the perverts out knocking up all the women and then offering them an abortion, and by all means, women, according to the demo's they prefer you wait until you clearly have a child in your womb, and then go get it aborted (trashcans free at democratic party abortion centers).

They want to defend our country, yet, strangely, thru out the whole democratic presidential nomination process, it was "only" Joe Leiberman who believed removing Saddam was the right thing while all of the rest, including John Kerry, one of my fellow vietnam vets I am "not" proud of, who runs around making me wonder just how he would defend this country. He says he would bulid up our military, yet his voting record shows very clearly he voted against the CIA, against the patriat missle defense system that saved so many lives in Saudi Arabia, and Isrial, he voted against the F-15 multi role fighter, in fact, basically every time he voted relative to our defense, he voted against anything that we as a nation have done, and every item has proven to have been well worth it, like defeating the cold war when the Soviet Union realized they had no chance of defeating us........and we knew it.

The democratic party I used to remember was of the Kennedy era. Kennedy believed in a strong national defense (and at least he had classier affairs, LOL), and lowered taxes to stimulate the economy, same thing done successfully by Reagan, and now Bush. But, oh no, our current classless group of democrats are still playing their age old game of "class warfare" here at home. And doesnt it just make you wonder "why" democrats really "dont" want our economy to improve? Boy, now there is a bunch of zero's who truely have fooled the lesser educated, and poor of our society. Why would anyone vote for the democratic party when they want to raise your taxes, lower your standard of living, they openly want the economy to fail on your behalf hoping you now will vote for them (which is a pathetic way of thinking), and they talk a real big story about believing in our national safety and defense, yet their voting record says they dont want to spend money on our military.

And let's get real, Democrats dont walk their talk, as shown by the women's feminist groups in the US that gladely let Bill Clinton off the hook for exploiting a 19 year old female intern into servicing his.........well you know what. So I will say it again, why on God's Green Earth, would you want to vote for a party that really doesn't care about anything really except their own power.

Why would you vote for a democrat when they tend to vote against our "right to keep and bear arms" quite regulary.

And what about their age old stratagy of trying to steal elections where the punch ballot is used? It is documented this practice started in Stockton CA in the early 80's, and the stratagy was the same, force a recount over and over, until the vote came your way. You see, by handling the cards, chads fell out, got demples, they even got pregnant, which I am sure delited the democrats,etc, and like shuffling cards, the vote could be changed. So they try to steal elections. documented and proven.

Democrats are even so low that they tried to cheat our overseas military out of their votes in 2000 presidential election. IF JOHN KERRY KNOWS SO MUCH ABOUT AIRCRAFT CARRIERS, THEN WHY DIDNT HIS SORRY ASS COMPLAIN BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE KNOWN WE DONT POSTMARK OR REQUIRE STAMPS ON NAVAL SHIP'S MAIL THAT IS OVERSEAS.

WHY DIDNT JOHNNY VIETNAM VET, WHO TOUTS THAT HE CARES SO MUCH ABOUT VETERANS GO "BALLISTIC" OVER THAT BULL SHI% THE DEMOCRATS WHERE DOING in the 2000 presidential election florida fieasco, TO DISCREDIT THE MILITARY OVERSEAS VOTE???? Why, because he is a damn democrat, that is why, and they are nothing but worthless excuses for Americans.

Hell, is it any wonder, I am a voting Republican who comes from a family of staunch Missouri Democrats. It seems to me if you believe in freedom, equal rights, prosperity, and quality life, then you had best be voting Republican. We'll worry about the top 1% richie riches later. I dont have much use for them either.

You won't get an argument from me, AggieDog. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Here are the thoughts of another former Democrat, on the condition of the present day Democratic party:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110003143

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The fact is, the democrats have been dying for something to bash Bush over, and where I draw the line is the democrats clearly care more about their political power and such, as to comprmise our national security. They would rather give welfare handouts than insure the defense capability of our nation. Frankly, I think they have just about screwed up everything in this nation, only for us to elect Republicans to straighten out their messes they have created. The most hollow argument by democrats is related to the national deficit. First of all, you can see that the only reason the budget got any where near being balanced under Bill Clinton's reign, is he inherited an economy that began improving under Bush SR, and as we all know it turned into a barn burner economy in the 90's. Think about this, during this same period of iminse prosperity, the good ole democrats gave us our largest "Tax Increase" in history. And when the economy finally went south under Bill Clinton's term in the late 90's, they denied it, trying to win the presidency based on an earlier bonanza economy, that frankly, they had nothing to do with relative to it's occurance. Bush Jr lowered our taxes, but, true to form, the democrats ran off at the mouth in their age old class warfare BS claiming it only helped the top tax payers. Funny, they dont like Bush's tax cut, so guess what their stratigy is, you guessed it, raise the taxes on you and I. And quite frankly, when you look at our national deficit compared to those in the past, based on incoming revenue, from an improving economy I might add, it is clear, this deficit is no worse than others we have had. Dont blame George Bush for Osama Bin Laden's group of terrorists attacking us, and costing our nation billions and billions of dollars, plus the loss on our homeland of over 4,000 people. Remember those people who jumped to their deaths???? I bet they would be voting for George Bush were they alive today. And I challange your national patriatism if you are one of the slime trying to take Bush down!!! Remember that Bill Clinton had Osama Bin Laden handed to us on a silver platter by the Sudanese government, and Clinton failed to take the appropriate action???? Remember the first attempt to blow up the World Trade Center under Bill Clinton's watch, and now remember "he failed to take action". Is that the kind of president you really want in the White House? Get real people, the Democrats dont walk their talk, and they care more about their own power than you and I, period. For that, they dont deserve anyone's vote. John Kennedy is probably rolling over in his grave, watching Teddy Kennedy in complete discust! I submit George Bush is right for us now, and I also submit we would be on our hands and knees if a democrat currently was our President. The demise of the democratic party began the day they cared more about votes than you or I. That my friends, is the sorry state of the democratic party. And if Hillary Clinton is their heavy gun, my God, they are really a pathetic party. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

In short, the Democrats are about the acquisition and maintenence of their own power. It is the religion of the left. This should come as no surprise because the icons of the movement Marx, Lenin, and Mao, atheists all, wrote extensively about this religion.

The Democrats are well on their way to becoming a minority party. My concern is now the Republicans. The biggest problem the United States faces may well be that there is no mainstream political party that truly believes in smaller, less obtrusive government. While I'll probably break down and vote for W, I really don't want to. He is ruling us as a liberal: Open borders, "free" drugs, out of control spending, etc. IMHO he would sign the assault weapon ban extension if he could get away with it.

It makes me wonder if the only real difference between the parties is the 2 to 5 year difference in time it takes for us to go broke.

Where is the party of small government? If you think its the Republicans I've got a bridge... .

Thanks AG, I needed that. Here is some more edification:



http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_112103/content/institute.guest.html



I have to add this too;



Betcha didn't know this: How Enron Worked the President





This is an interesting bit of information that you don't hear much about.



A... Enron's chairman did meet with the president and the vice president in the Oval Office.



B.. Enron gave $420,000 to the president's party over three years.



c.. It donated $100,000 to the president's inauguration festivities.



D.. The Enron chairman stayed at the White House 11 times.



e.. The corporation had access to the administration at its highest levels and even enlisted the Commerce and State Departments to

grease deals for it.



f.. The taxpayer-supported Export-import Bank subsidized Enron for more than $600 million in just one transaction. Scandalous!!



g.. BUT wait ...... the president under whom all this happened WASN'T George W. Bush.



h.. SURPRISE ......... It was Bill Clinton!



Please pass this on so the whole Country will know. The Media Won't!



Kirt

Mauser, I agree with you on that. The fact is, we now need a mid stream, in the center, main party for common working class americans. The democrats used to fill that role, but their move over the years to the far left has left them unattractive for middleclass america. The far right in the Republican party hasnt figured out that people dont vote Republican for their ideas either. I will vote for Bush again, but, I dont agree on the immigration issue, period. I also think our govt is spending money foolishly. We need a requirement that they keep our budget ballanced, or they are all fired.

Aggiedog: Americans who just want to be left alone-to have liberty-are the citizens who are disinfranchised these days. To me its not a rich-poor thing but rather a government versus the rest of us thing. A very large percentage of the "fat cats" out there are liberals.

Pathetic?

I wish the Constitutionists were as Pathetic.

Democrats are well funded, organized, control major media, (both "news" and entertainment) reproduce their own voters through wefare and govenment entitlements, are united in their desire, means and purposes.

It is a fool who underestimates their adversary. I think your talking foolish to call them pathetic.

Ram, I think they are pathetic, where does that imply that they arent organized? I think democrats are pathetic because of the very reasons I listed. Care to re-read it?

You are 100% correct. I am an American of African descent & 69 years old. This being the case I clearly rember when I believed that liberals were on the right side of the civil rights struggle. I also believed that conservatives were the enemy. After all, they had fought for decades against a federal law outlawing lynching. They couched their resistance to change in terms of "States Rights" & the Constitution. Those arguments were incomprehensible to me, given the fact that my life was always at risk simply because of the color of my skin. Any drunken cracker, especially in the south, could kill me with impunity. They boasted that no white person would ever be convicted of killing a black person. I hated them. Looking back, I still have difficulty not hating them.



I didn't realize at the time that conservatives whites marched with MLK. I was a kid. Absolutely certain about absolutely every thing. I was years away from having my first actual conversation with a conservative. The years had not taught me how corrosive & counter productive hatred can be. I thank God that he spared me long enough to learn that.



It took a long time to realize that the radical leftists who were so vocal in their denunciation of this country had an agenda, & it went far beyond helping my people. Today I see them for what they were & what they continue to be. A bunch of damned traitors who wish to destroy America.



My eyes were opened through my involvement in the shooting sports. I have hunted most of my life. I'm a reloader & despite my age I still get into the field. The season that just passed resulted in my taking three Mulie does. The last one I took at what several readings from a Lieca 1200 rangefinder indicated was 326 yards away. You may have trouble believing this, but the wind was about thirty mph, gusting to 40.



I had a rest on a hay bale & the wind actually helped in that it pushed me steadily into hay piles beside me. That bullet printed exactly where I intended. The rifle was a M70 Featherweight in 6.5 x 55. The load was Nosler 125 Spitzer Partition in front of H4350 sparked by CCI BR primers. Forgive me for bragging. Again, I thank God for his blessings in my life.



Anyway, the dispicable way that the mainstream media & Democratic politicians attacked the Second Amendment revealed how deceitful they are. I am now convinced that the entire gun control movement is intended to disarm this nation. It is necessary to achieve that goal before America can become a part of the Global Village that is on the horizon.



I have been fascinated by this thread. My first post expressed my reservations about George W. Bush. Since 1974 I have been looking into the public schools in our country. What I have learned has caused me to despair. I started out looking for leftists behind every bush. No pun intended. It does seem, based on what I have recently learned, that this government is utilyzing public schools to destroy America.



What the left will never acknowledge is that we live in an America that has changed. The civil rights struggle was won. If anyone had told me that I would live to see an America in which racism was decidedly unpopular, & my people would be successful in any endeavor that they prepared for & worked toward, I would not have believed it. Little attention is paid to the fact that my people are now Mayors, law enforcement professionals, super wealthy TV & movie personalities & business people. Colin Powell & Condalisa Rice are in the President's cabinet. Yet I still hear black people claiming that nothing has changed.



I am convinced that the reason for these seemingly insane claims are based in the brainwashing our kids get in school & in the media. This kind of ignorance is the result of the repeated lies of the former civil rights leaders who are today prostituting the once deserved respect of our people for their own enrichment. Their lies are reinforced in the classrooms of schools that no longer teach American history, except in a distorted & negative light. These politicians couldn't care less about our people.



If I sound like I think there is a gigantic conspiracy at work in my country it is only because I do. I am convinced that the Democratic Party & the Republican Party are both working toward the day when American sovreignty will be surrendered, & there will in fact be a one world government.



Fantastic? Unbelievable? I wish it were. I will assure you that I can absolutely prove that what I have just stated is true. This information is available for anyone who can find the time, & knows where to look for it. A start could be a government document put together by the U.S. Office of Education back in 1967.



The Behavioral Science Teacher Education Program is the result of an exercise in what has been described as futurology. The efforts of a small number of private foundations, select universities, global corporations, think tanks & government agencies compiled this document. It bears the U.S. Office of Education Contract number OEC-0-9-320424-4042 (010). There are enough books addressing the covert undermining of parental authority & the deliberate dumbing down of America to convince anyone.



Berit Kjos wrote "Brave New Schools" that lays out the classroom behavioral techniques of some of todays' teachers engaged in the "correction" of attitudes of the children entrusted to their care. Another book is by B.K. Eakman. The title is "Educating for the New World Order". It describes the illegal, behind the scenes collaboration of the forces mentioned above.



As I said, I despair. This process has been going on for decades undetected. It is probably too late to change things. As to gun rights or any other issue, consider the fact that each generation of students will become anti-gun, anti-American, anti-Christian pawns. In spite of my despair I will continue to share information for as long as I can.

I will continue to try to expose hustlers like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan & the Black Caucus for what they are. Radical leftist betrayers of the dream of Dr. King.



Understand that there are black conservatives who share my views. I communicate with many of them. I was priviliged to be able to speak at the annual Repudiation of Jessie Jackson Day Protest in Los Angeles in January in Los Angeles. This was the fifth of a series of demonstrations put together by Jessie Lee Peterson. He is a black pastor who was assaulted by one of Jessie Jackson's sons & a couple of his goons. Jessie Lee had the temerity to stand up at one of the Operation Push fund raising events & ask why the money Jackson extorts from cowardly corporations only goes to Jackson's family, friends or those subcontractors who subsequently make substantial contributions to the Jackson enterprises.



Jessie Lee had trouble getting out of the auditorium. In spite of all the witnesses to the assault there was no arrest of the attackers. It has taken five years to get past the road blocks placed by th Democratic politicians supporting Jackson to finally get his day in court. At 9 AM on February 26, 2004 Jessie Lee's suit will find its way into a court room.



Some may feel that all this is far away from the thread. It may be, but I see all this as connected to the Second Amendment & all the rest of our rights as citizens of the greatest nation on earth.



As to the Democratic candidates, the Black Caucus, Jessie Jackson, etc., as well as any Republican politician who is working behind the scenes to force this global curriculum on the children of this nation, I spit on them.

legs,

I don't debate politics a lot, maybe I should. That's one of the best written posts I have read. People have to see through the veil, so to speak and really see what is going on. The Hitler youth of tomorrow are in school today. I think most of what we see on the news today is like a facade and very few dig any deeper than that. Only a few brave people have insight anymore as to what is really happening. Americans are being force fed like cattle for the day of slaughter.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!
To God Alone Be The Glory!

Outstanding post legs, and dead nuts on taeget. In my case you are preaching to the choir, I have held this position for many moons. That is why my kids and now my Grandson go to private school where they are taught real history and social studies. The current offerings in public school is aimed at control of their minds, not expanding their horizons. Bottom line:

"DUAS TANTUM REX ANXIUS OPTAT, PANEM ET CIRCENSES."

"The people long eagerly for two things - bread and circuses."

--- Juvenal, Roman rhetorician and satirical poet (47-138 A.D.)

When told that the poor were starving because they had no bread,
Marie-Antoinette (wife of Louis XVI of France) said
"Qu'ils mange la brioche", which is usually translated as "let them eat cake".

Brioche is not cake.

As long as we have pro-sports, NASCAR, beer and pizza to distract the masses, the "leaders" will keep herding us down the Primrose path!

Legs,

You will never know what your post meant to one little old Caucasian boy in Alaska trying to raise a family in a world gone amok. How come I never hear YOU talking on TV or in the paper? Cause you won't sing the song the choir director wants. Couldn't agree with you more on the schools. It's one of the reasons why we have home schooled our oldest for the last 3 years. The biggest part of the local taxes I pay go to schools, it takes time to educate out kids, but we feel it is necessary and too important to have the schools of today do it for us. So I pay my taxes for the schools and educate my kids at home <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />.I desperately needed to know you were out there. Thank you for having the courage to tell the truth. 1ak

Mr. Lee - How exactly do you think that public schools are trying to control the minds of your children? I happen to be very conservative and I teach high school social studies in a public school. By in large educators tend to be liberal, however this does not mean that any mind control is at work. You and leg need to get off the paranoia kick. The problems in education are many faceted and not at all related to a gov't conspiracy.

ranger1,

Being paranoid and being aware is two different things.
I'm aware that the liberals have a very heavy hand in the education system, especially at the college level. How long do you think it would take high school and college students; after being fed "tolerance", "diversity", and "thinking global", to lose any regard for patriotism or traditional morality? Try to mention morality in many of our nations schools and you will get blasted because they say you are teaching religion-but it's perfectly okay to teach the principles and morality of secular humanism; which is also a "religion". I know some teachers and college professors that are fed up with the system, but know they are almost helpless to change it. Maybe if the NEA disappeared we would be better off.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!
To God Alone Be The Glory!

These things have already happened, but they are as much a product of ex-flower child parents as they are of a liberal education system. I cannot change the education system but I can impart truthful, sane, objective history and gov't lessons on the students that I teach. The NEA is a bit commie but then again most labor unions are. I shudder to think what my paycheck would look like if I didn't have represetation. Just to give you an idea of one of the problems in education today, I made just a bit over $21,000 last year. I have a bachelors degree and the same student loans that a friend who is a petroleum engineer has. I graduated with honors and chose teaching because I have a passion for it. BUT, do you really think that pay like that is going to attract the best and brightest to the profession? How about overcrowding of classrooms, inner-city violence, english as a second language, broken homes, abuse, poverty, inadequate facilities, low budgets, etc., etc., these are the issues that are dealt with by the education community that you fail to take into account. I agree that too many educators are liberal, however the only way to change that is to make changes in the system beginning with pay and moving on to standards. No Child Left Behind - a band aid won't fix a broken leg, the system is in need of much more far reaching and intelligent changes than this even begins to address.

ranger 1,

It's too late to move to AK we are cutting teachers from the payroll....granted we have 2100 less students district wide than we did 5 years ago, but teachers MUST GO. Meanwhile we will keep on the payroll the 9 custodian positions that we didn't have 5 years ago when enrollment was higher and the 9 "aides" that do the copying and general errands for the teachers. It's a joke but not a funny one, schooling has become another bureaucracy, if you don't give us more money every year we are going to up the pupil/teacher ratio and get rid of all extracaricular (sp?) activities. I salute you for having the courage to do what I would not, you sound like a good egg, our teachers here start at $32k and I know more than a few that make $60k. Our budget is a joke, we get absolutely very little bang for the buck, and while you only make $21K (that's deplorable btw) it is for 9 months of work, even when figured at 12 mos. it's less than $28K per annum. I don't envy you living on that. Tenure is the most deplorable idea in the history of work environment IMO. All of us are only as good as the last product we turned out. But the removal of corporal discipline in the classroom was a big mistake, again just IMO, I got my fanny whacked repeatedly until my freshmen year of high school, and maybe on occassion it wasn't warranted for that specific incident, but it kinda made up for the ones I didn't get caught doing! I never ever felt I was abused, at least until I got home and got an already sore fanny worked over by someone with passion for the job! I don't know the answers, but I feel sorry for someone like you that seems to give a hoot and is stuck in an environment that you work in for the amount of pay you receive. I'm not sure our education system is salvageable, but I salute you for trying to do what you can to keep it from sliding farther down the slope it's on. My answer for my family is we home school, some people look at me like I am from Mars when I tell them that...(like I care what they think) they seem to worry about my daughter being behind socially, guess what she is, she's not into boys yet, has never been kissed or felt up while in Junior High so yeah she's behind socially, works for me. Only time will tell whether we made the right decision or not, but if she turns out to be half the woman her mother is some lucky Joree is getting a heck of a good woman. Best of luck to you, fight the best fight you can. 1ak

ranger1,

I know how you feel about the "pay'. I was a Dep Sheriff for 27 yrs. Ending salary- $31,000! Troopers in NY from what I've heard are going to be making around $70,000 after 5 yrs! Same work, same risk! So teacher pay has to addressed on a district by district basis. What teachers make in cities and suburbs of NY in places is ridiculous compared to your salary.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!
To God Alone Be The Glory!

I look at what and how I was taught and what goes on now in the public school my Grandson USED to attend. Night and day, we were taught how to learn and subjects that required some research. Today the books are waterd down with "Politicaly Correct" terms and IMHO, falsehoods about much history, or just glossing over and bypassing.

The kids are taught that there is no right or wrong if involved in an altercation, victim and aggressor are punished equally!

They are taught that they are entitled to a plethora of goodies, even if they don't earn them, and failure has become almost obsolete. Just lower the standards to the lowest common denominator and leave no one behind. No incentive to build a work ethic in that situation, earn selfrespect and pride of accomplishment. Give respect, that is a laugh, demand it, not earn it is the name of the game today

Then there is all the "embrace diversity" thing. What the hell is wrong with admitting we are not all the same and learning to live with that? We knew when I went to school that some would be leaders of business and some would be working for them, no shame in being a worker as long as you did your best and made no excuses. Cream does rise to the top.

We are dumbing down our children and cheating them from the pride that comes from working and accomplishing set goals. Not only that, but teaching them that they will be rewarded no matter how mediocre their performane in the name of "fairness" and non-discrimination.

Bottom line: Why is it that the labeling and instructions on products have to be at a 7th or 8th grade level for the average HS "Graduate" to be able to have some comprehension of what they are reading (if in fact they bother) or why can't HS students make change without out a computer cash register to tell them what it is, for that matter why do the keys on these devices need graphic renderings of the item rather than the printed name (as in a McDonalds)?

I could go on but I am tired of this argument, we NEED to get back to basic education and away from makeing all "FEEL GOOD" about themselves.

T Lee, on this subject I am in compete agreement with you. Excellent post.

You are looking at a microcosm of education. Although many of the problems that you see are existant throughout education, many others you fail to see. How is it to be expected that all children will be educated to the same standard when teachers are not paid to the same standard? From state to state and town to town schools have budgets that differ immensely. Yes liberalism is pervasive in education, this is a product of our government. The Democratic Party is far more supportive monetarily of education than the Republican Party. Because of this, most educators are liberal minded simply out of self preservation. I don't feel a need to be so. I guess I would rather get a job at McDonalds than vote a Dem. into office and lose my rights and freedoms. Heck, at least I know now that I'd be able to understand the buttons on the cash register. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The Opium of the Professors

It is said of Woodrow Wilson that when asked what the purpose of a liberal education is, he replied "To make a person as unlike his father as possible." He was, at the time, merely the president of Princeton University, and had not yet become schoolmarm-in-chief of the United States or waged the war that ended all wars and made the world safe for democracy.



But as with his better-known schemes of social uplift and gauzy internationalism, so too with his philosophy of education, Wilson was the very model of the progressive academic. Whatever bland official statement of purpose might appear in the introduction to a modern university's college catalog, its true raison d'etre is in practice nothing other than to destroy utterly whatever allegiance a young person might have to traditional conceptions in morality, religion, politics and culture, to "do dirt" on the faith of his fathers, on his country, and on what most human beings have historically understood to be the imperatives of decency. It is, in short, to propagate Leftism.

The rest here, long but worth it.

http://techcentralstation.com/021604A.html

And as an aside, this now goes way beyond Republican VS Democrat. It has become an all pervasive entity through much of America.

As I have said before, there exists no conspiracy to promote leftism. The ills of society and the promulgation of liberal ideals are very complex. Much of the blame lies in the urabanization of America. Less than 2% of all Americans are involved in agriculture today versus the majority that were only 60-70 years ago. With urbanization has come all of the inherant problems. Tight knit communities are something that most urbanites find hard to fathom. Parents no longer support the school and whatever punishments may be delivered, instead the threaten to sue. Children no longer look to Roy Rogers as an idyllic hero but rather to people like Kolby Bryant. Considering all of this one still cannot look at the past through rose colored glasses, there existed many problems at that time as well. One only need look at the age of the example that you used, the days of Woodrow Wilson were far before most on this board were born let alone in school. A return to the "way things used to be" has been the rallying cry for those unable to deal with change since time began. In reality it is only those able to adapt to change, those willing to step up and mold the changes to the best of their ability, that amount to anything other than just another sheep amoung the herd bawling for their own lack of potency. I do not agree with the current state of liberalism within education but I do my best to educate the children that I am charged with in the reality of history and gov't and I try to do so without imparting my personal political beliefs - which happen to be very conservative, to the consternation of many of my fellow teachers.

No rose colered glasses here, I worked my butt off on the farm before and after school. But it did teach me much about real life, work ethic, pride of accomplishment, a sense of self worth and respect for others. I spent much time reading and we all sat down to supper together and discussed each others day and what was going on around us, no one eyed monster blaring in the background to distract either. We were family, not a related group of strangers that wandered in and out of the house in mere passing.

In a way todays kids don't have a chance to be kids, mores the pity. In school we studied the basics of Reading (the key to ALL learning IMHO), mathematics, history (modern and ancient), social studies and civics and had to pass a Constitution test to graduate High School. We were also exposed to the basic sciences and current events and how they related to history and the possible future. Tell me kids have that advantage today in most schools.

There is nothing wrong with having a computer lab and the like, don't get me wrong, but they must first be well grounded in the basics to appreciate how it works rather than learning just how to work the damn thing!

Ranger1:



We may differ on what constitutes conspiracy. In Merriam-Webster's New Ideal Dictionary, Copyright 1978, CONSPIRACY is defined simply as 'an agreement among conspirators". Not much meat there. If you move to CONSPIRE we see Plot, Contrive, & then "to agree secretely do do an unlawful or wrongful act".



If that is an acceptable interpretation of the meaning of conspiracy then I fail to see how you can possibly claim that there is none at work here. At the very least what is being done to us all is wrong.



I have a friend who happens to be a former teacher, who agrees with you. His theory is that what is happening in America is based in the historical fact that nations inevitably rise & fall. Official corruption, prosperity & degeneracy are harbingers of collapse. My friend says that there is no conspiracy because the people in the education lobby, the government & the others who are working diligently & secretively to change/destroy America make no secret of what they are doing. He is right, in that their intentions & stratagies are readily available for examination. Except for one thing.



Most people do not know where to look. In fact, they do not know that there is anything to look for. In my last post I offered some suggestions as to where to document my comments. It was interesting that your response was rapid & predictable for a teacher.



Allow me to admit something that I am not proud of. As I stated before, I have been looking at public schools since 1974. Over the years, dealing with the stone wall erected by the school district in Philadelphia, & the dawning reality that schools were actively engaged in dumbing down students entrusted to them by parents to educate, I began to despise the system. Then I began to despise teachers.



Only recently, after discovering government documents that frankly describe the true mission of public schools, did I become fully aware of something that I had only been partially aware of. I realized that the question that had not fully formulated itself in my mind had to do with how America's educational apparatus had been relinquished to the control of the political left. The radical left is more accurate. Where were conservatives? Where are they today? I know this. Both political parties comprise the government.



I want to go back to your claim that I should just get rid of my paranoid ideation regarding the schools. If I understood you correctly you said that your teaching has nothing to do with any plot or conspiracy. My ex-teacher friend says the same thing. I believe you both. At least I believe that you believe this.



I also apologize for the hostility I felt for teachers & school administrators for so long. I was wrong. They are victims too. As are students, parents & this nation. I say to you now, without apology or doubt, that we have all been betrayed.



Betrayed by people like John Dewey, Horace Mann & their contemporaries & followers. Their motivation for starting the public school system was to undermine & eventually destroy capitalism, & replace it with a socialist society. Before you groan & convince yourself that my assertion is proof that I am some kind of conspiracy nut I challenge you to read.



Your initial response to my last post came so quickly that I know you did not take time to look at any of the books or documents I mentioned. Your response was typical of teachers who sadly personalize criticism of the system they have honestly & sincerely committed themselves to. Before you dismiss me as paranoid take the time to look at the works of John Dewey. This monster founded the NEA & started the first "Laboratory School" back in 1896. From then on children sent to schools by trusting parents were considered to be, & treated as subjects of behavioral experimentation. That has not changed.



Ask any teacher why the system they have dedicated their lives to, generally with insufficient financial return, why their efforts consistently fail. Ask why the rate of illiteracy has increased steadily over the last forty years at least, in spite of their very best efforts. Almost invariably their response will identify parents & lack of funding as the culprits.



I ask you one question. Where do you think all these incompetent, substance abusing, child abusing parents came from? My answer? From the very system you are involved in. A system that was never intended to suceed in preparing children academically to move into the future with the technical skills needed to compete in the job market, to think critically, invent or improvise.



I submit to you that while many, with ample evidence, condemn public education as a failure, are mistaken. I was among their number. The truth is that the system is a tremendous success. It functions as intended. Our society has degenerated. Our people are generally more ignorant than they ever were. Just consider the man in the street interviews by Leno & others. A true embarrassment to us all. At least they should be.



Please understand. I am not attacking you. I agree with you that $21,000 is a disgraceful annual salary for teaching. I want you to consider this. During my years of digging I have become aware of something. The education researchers who illegally construct curriculum for public schools are more often that not PHD's. Their credentials qualify them for substantial salaries. A lot more than 21K I'll bet.



It is true that much of the research they are engaged in is financed by foundations & corporations. I have been unable to discover how much of the money they are paid come from the taxpayer. I am blessed to have retired & relocated to Montana. I have been waiting for weeks, after several phone calls to the state Office of Education, to learn how many teachers & administrators in my state are involved in hands on, in school, face to face teaching of students, as opposed to research. (NOTE: I am aware that most of this research is done at the national level. I am also aware that properties are constantly being raised for education in Montana.) Research that has nothing to do with preparing children academically, but is focused on administering behavioral instruments that can be used to change opinion & attitudes to "acceptable" norms. Acceptable to a government & educational system that is preparing our children & our nation for membership in the global community. It is not acceptable to me.



How much money are we talking about? How appropriate is it for sincere, dedicated teachers to subsist on crumbs while individuals involved in illegal, covert research make six figures? It is in fact illegal for government to involve itself in formulating curriculum.



I am tired & it is getting late. I do have to include a quote from a man named Chester M. Pierce, who, in 1972, told the Association for Childhood Education International, in what was described as his keynote address:

Every child in America entering school at the age five

is insane because he comes to school with certain

allegiances toward our founding fathers, toward his

parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being....

It's up to you teachers, to make all of these sick

children well by creating the international children

of the future.

Now, I ask you, who is really insane? That level of arrogance is demented as far as I am concerned. (My search turned up a reference to a 1973 address, not 1972. For that reason I must admit that I have not 100% confirmed the validity of this particular quote. Based on what I have confirmed beyond doubt I do believe this to be a true representation of Mr Pierce's comments).



The real problem for us all is that these people have been operating under the radar screens for decades. Until I die I will do every thing I can do to expose them. I beg you Ranger1 to help me. Just try to find the time to look at the information that is out there.

legs - when you said you were blessed, you weren't kidding, wisdom and courage, to name a few.

Regards, sse

sse,

you said it as well as it could be said, but I agree, legs you seem to be an exceptional man. Our country needs more like you. I'm pretty happy with our home schooling. 1ak

Once upon a time Democrats represented working Americans, and Republicans represented business. The two somewhat balanced each other. Now Democrats represent the social and economic subsidization of the very real Third World we have right here in the U.S. ( perhaps a liberal dream of some sort of "helter Skelter"). But there is no-one to represent the working class, and they have grown tired after giving thirty years with little results to show for their efforts and money subsidizing the "Great Society", and now many have thrown their lot in with the Republicans. But for all the Republican bait, remember that Republicans represent and are paid for by business. And business has always loked upon the working people as a predator looks upon prey. The Constitution has been so distorted and twisted that it would probably be more expediant to draft a new one than repair the old. This country is in sadder shape than it has ever been, and is going to get worse. If a foreign enemy attacked us and tried to force us to accept their culture, we would probably fight like hell, but yet we allow an enemy within to do the same with no answer from us except complaining. But the enemy within who would have us socially and economically subsidize their voter base is no less an enemy than Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan. And where are the veterans who one might think would rise against such? Most are clogging up the VA hospitals trying to attach themselves to the working class as disabled parasites.

One could easily agree with much that you wrote. I do agree that middle class americans need a political party because really both parties we currently have, dont really represent middle class americans. That's why when someone in the Republican party get's uppity, and starts telling us we had better be careful or the religous right, or ultra conservatives may not vote or support Bush, I think they need their heads rattled. Ronald Reagan, a great president......surprize, was a moderate Republican, he was a hawk when it came to national defense, but was definately able to attract moderate or conservative democrats. Anyone in the Republican party far right who thinks they can have it only their way are dreaming. The only way the Republcan party can survive, and be electable on a national basis, and that is the key, is to maintain the ability to attract moderates into the party. In CA, 34 % of our population is now hispanic. You had better believe that is a big reason why democrats have the upper hand here. It is also the reason the Republican Party can not survive if they want only a far right membership. That is wishful thinking, and not very realistic. Ronald Reagan had it right, it would do alot of our Republicans some good to analyize why he was so successful. While I am totally apposed to the new immigration law, if Bush didnt do it, the democrats would have. And remember, the democrats are stating he didnt go far enough. Bush is fighting to get a share of the hispanic vote, weather you or I like it or not, the Republican party must broaden their base. That means some tolorance to each other. If we cant do that, the party is doomed. Play to win, and dont be stupid, as the old saying goes.

Liberals? What are they? To find the ultimate example of a liberal, go to a good dictionary and look up the word "hippy".
One of the discriptions should be "extreme liberal". So if a hippy represents an extreme liberal, what is a hippy? Try painting him as a scavenger and see how he looks. He doesn't produce anything, he scavenges leftovers and discards from those who do. But his ultimate goal is to attach himself as a parasite to someone, usually parents or girlfriend. But mention the word "responsibility" to him and he's out the door. But the hippy is all for just about anything. Why? Because it won't cost him anything because he has nothing. All he does is pay lip service to grandoise schemes. This has far too long represented the liberal vote. They vote it in and we pay for it. The working people of this country, the very people who made and keep this country going, are being savaged to pieces. The Democrats take your money and give it to those they label less fortunate and the republicans pay off their bosses by letting them rip you off with medical care, utilities, insurance, and just about everything you need to survive a modern lifestyle. And of course, we have to support the government workers, who, if you really take it in perspective, are a social and economic class by themselves. Face it, government at all levels in this country is out of control. The people who pay the bills have only a "cosmetic" voice in government. The only thing which will work is "no compromise". And to close , being a Democrat is the first step down that liberal path toward the hippy grinning at you at the far end.

Let's take it further, I dont think you should be able to vote in this country, unless you served, or are serving your country in the military, or something comprible for those who cant do active duty. I also dont think any public fund employee should be able to vote, why, because they vote democratic like clockwork expecting a big raise from them. In other words, they are special interest, just like insider information on the stock market. Call me mean, but I dont care, I have been around far too many lazy public fund employees, good workers amoung them is a rarity, not the norm. Most people in public fund employment think they are bullet proof. So they dont perform like a private sector employee.

I agree, Aggie Dog. Public servants should realize that they have job security in that their employer will always exist. It really sickens me when they whine about people in the private sector with compatible skills and education making more money. Anyone entering a public service career has a certainty, as long as they do their work, of retiring with a decent retirement, not to mention fair benefits during their career. The tradeoff is, or should be, slightly lower pay. But what is the monetary value of job security? Ask anyone who has lost a private sector job because the job went overseas, or the company went down because of inept management. As far as your complaint of poor service from the public service, this is the result of efforts by the Democrats to turn scavengers into beneficial parasites. Again, the natural state of the hippy is a scavenger wanting to be a parasite. A beneficial parasite has to justify himself somewhat, and he resents it. This shows in the rude and uncaring service you speak of. If you apply the sliding scale along the liberal line towards the hippy at the end, you will find an explanation of all that is wrong with government service as we know it today. Government jobs have become a dumping ground for those whom the liberals would convert, if not into parasites feeding off the public, into beneficial parasites who have a public service job in name only.
[quote] Lawyers are nothing but whores. They serve whoever pays their asking fee. They dispise the words "right" or "wrong" and prefer the gray areas between where they thrive, feeding off the misfortune of others. They serve as attack dogs for those who would dominate and intimidate others. Their natural environment is chaos, where they greedily dart about, feeding not to satisfy mere hunger, but to attack and destroy simply because the opportunity is there. They can never satisfy their greed, because so long as anything remains, they want it. They create problems just so they will have to be paid to solve them, and they have twisted and turned the legal process until no person can understand it but themselves. They have attached themselves to the fabric of society in such a way that no germ or virus could ever hope to attach itself to any host.

So what you are saying is that almost everyone who has chosen to serve the public interest is lazy and inept? You sound a little bitter to me. Personally I have met just as many idiots in the private sector as the public. The fact of the matter is that you think public employees should be payed less because you are not one, if you were you would be singing a different tune.

You make some very interesting points and your references are supportive of your arguement. I must admit that I do see validity in your arguement. However, I maintain that there is no organized conspiracy. Education is dominated by liberals because liberals are fiscally supportive of edcation and the unions that the educators belong to. The college professors that write the text books we use are bound by restrictions on reality that have been created through the frivolous lawsuits of thousands of liberal parents that do not want their child to be exposed to the truth. Too many factors come into play in the realm of education to lay the blame on a conspiracy within education. If you broaden your arguement to include all of American society I would agree that a conspiracy exists - and those in charge call themselves Democrats.

Personally I have met just as many idiots in the private sector as the public.[/quote]



Ranger1



Having worked for nearly 50 years, divided about equally between the private sector and local government, I would have to agree. No one will ever convince me that the private sector is always more efficient than the public. Large businesses in particular are rife with bureaucracy, waste, and featherbedding. It's popular to beat up on government employees, and some deserve it, but it's unfair to generalize.



Paul

AggieDog & jbones,

I just love it when people talk out of a paper ass! I was a "public fund employee" for 27 yrs. as a Dep Sheriff. You're telling me that I ALWAYS vote for Dems. because I'll get a raise. What a crock of s#$t. I've ALWAYS voted Rep.! So what does that do to your generalizations about public employees? Are you going to have volunteer police? Or volunteer firemen in large cities? Volunteer teachers? Etc., etc.
Good workers are a rarity in public service? Their lazy? If you knew what you were talking about I could debate your point of view, but it's obvious you don't. I shouldn't vote? Kiss it! Being a cop didn't make me better than anyone else, so where do you get off thinking I shouldn't be able to vote. Looking at it from your perspective; people who work for defense contracters shouln't be able to vote either, or the military- they accept public monies. Get a life!

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!
To God Alone Be The Glory!

Twenty seven years with your eyes tight shut. What powers of observation! To serve and protect? Did you try to retire with disability so you'd get 100%? Has nothing to do with how you vote, it's your thinking that matters. My personal view is that the criminal shouldn't worry about the cop, he should fear an armed and prepared citizen. I also believe that we as citizens delegate police powers to law enforcement, as we delegate all public service, due to the very fact that we are too busy trying to earn our own keep in this world. But then there are those who view cops as vicious attack dogs on leashes held by their political bosses who are bought and paid for by business lobbies. Your misconception of what we said is something I would hope you didn't have when you were on patrol. I remember during 9-11 when I saw all those NYC cops at WTC on overtime. But let's get it clear now, I am not bashing all cops just because I write this. If the shoe fits, wear it. But be aware that it does fit a lot of people.

Fireman, and police I dont consider in the same class as other public fund. To each his own, I interact about 85 % of the time with the public fund, they are the ones who gave me my opinion, not me. If they got off their butts and worked, I would see it different.

I bet there is a whole bunch of you guys shocked someone like me is a native Californian.........LOL We have our rednecks too, boys, and I'm one of them......take care.

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in a few short phrases:

If it moves, tax it.

If it keeps moving, regulate it.

And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
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If you don't want government to intervene anywhere,

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