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Tim, For that very reason, I went to Norma MRP in my 270's.
Hard to get, but temp stable and interchanges exactly data wise, with RL-22, plus, it's fine grained and meters well.
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I had to try H4350, RL22, RL19 in my 270win before I finally tried H4831SC with 130gr partitions... Let's just say I found my powder for my 270... H4831SC!!
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Tim, For that very reason, I went to Norma MRP in my 270's.
Hard to get, but temp stable and interchanges exactly data wise, with RL-22, plus, it's fine grained and meters well.
MM
I have never tried MRP; it sounds like a fine powder. Also, I did not realize that it was temp stable.; Thanks, MM.
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As you have had, I've also gotten good results from 4350 & 4831 but I did find that the new SC version 4831 to be a bit faster that the older lot of standard 4831 that I had on hand; I know others here have found it to be same/same, so maybe my old lot was pretty old.
4831 is really a good, accurate and reliable powder.
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John,
Have you tested current RL22 for temp stability? Or do you know there has been no change?
What about RL17?
Thanks.
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I am running some new temp tests this summe/winter.
Some RL-17 is one its way to me. Have not tried any yet, for the very good reason that I have yet to see any on the shelves.
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Thanks, I've got some RL17 coming too and was targeting it for 100 grainers in a 25-06 when I get a chance to try it.
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Dad was a True Believer and follower of JO'C. He used 60gr of 4831 and 130gr Sierra SBT at least as far back as the early '60s. Many deer died and groups were always small. Dad switched to 130gr partitions and began getting 3 shot cloverleafs.
I use the same load to this day and the rifle still shoots cloverleafs. Year after year. After two owners and over 40 yrs I feel confident load development for that gun is done.
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All,
I don't know how many 270 chambered rifles I've owned over the years, but it has been several. I presently have four in the safe; a custom pre-64 Model 70, a Remmy 700 Light Mountain Rifle with a composite stock, a custom job built by Don Allen using a Heym SR-20 barreled action, and my old standby David Miller Co Mauser action rifle. All four have 22" barrels. My load for three of the rifles is 59.5 grains of H4831 pushing any good 130 grain bullet. My David Miller rifle chronographs at 3130 fps with this load. It is the fastest of the four. One rifle, the Allen custom using the Heym barreled action, shows mild pressure signs with this load, and for it, I've cut back to 58.0 grains.
I've found in all my 270s over the years, that if they wouldn't shoot H4831 well, they wouldn't shoot anything. I don't shoot anything but 130 grain bullets in my 270s, and if I feel the need for more bullet weight than that, I reach for a bigger cartridge. It just seems to me that the 270 and 130 grain bullets just go together like biscuits go with milk gravy, ham goes with eggs, and scotch goes with water!
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I was with you until you started watering the scotch.
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Maybe he meant club soda instead of water. For sure tsquare was spot on everywhere else. I especially like the part about not polluting your .270 barrel with bullet weights that aren't 130grs. If you need more than that you need a much bigger gun.
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I was with you until you started watering the scotch. I'll second that motion.
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I don't shoot anything but 130 grain bullets in my 270s, and if I feel the need for more bullet weight than that, I reach for a bigger cartridge. Of course, that is the classic combo. But, that's like saying if you are using a .300 Win. Mag. and need something bigger than 165 grains, then you should set it aside for something "bigger." Now, if'n pouring, I'll take one of those scotches. Scott
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RSY:
I even skip the 300 altogether. If the 270 with 130s, or 280 with 140s, or 30-06 with 165s aren't big enough, I jump to the 338. I went for a lot of years without a single 300 mag in my safe. I do have one there now, but haven't used it on anything but paper as yet. I also went several years without even at 30-06, but have used one a bit during the past three or four years. Frankly, I can't tell the difference in an animal hit with the 270, the 280 or the 30-06. They all seem to die at the same rate!
I know guys, I have a couple Brit friends that accuse me of blasphemy for even putting ice in my scotch, let alone ice and water. I tried soda for awhile but it reminded me too much of Alka Seltzer! Now, belly up to the bar!
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Now it's ice too? I hope you aren't defiling anything better than Usher's or Passport.
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Now it's ice too? I hope you aren't defiling anything better than Usher's or Passport. Maybe we need to start a "Favorite Cheap Scotch" thread (come on, we all have one). I'll hitch my cart to "Old Smuggler." As for ice, it's kosher as long as it's the kind bought in a bag with absolutely no air in the cubes. A weird personal rule I have. Scott
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There is never a need to water down good whiskey. Be it 12 year old single malt Scotch or 10 year old Straight Bourbon.
The Ol� Man said as he took a sip, �Son, if you�ve water down my good whiskey again I�m going to knock a knot of your hard head!�
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Now it's ice too? I hope you aren't defiling anything better than Usher's or Passport. Maybe we need to start a "Favorite Cheap Scotch" thread (come on, we all have one). I'll hitch my cart to "Old Smuggler." Misty!
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Mathman: Since so many references have been made to Jack O'Connor here on this thread, I'll have you know that Cactus Jack drank Passport scotch, which you now besmirch! Seriously, Passport was old Jack's drink of choice.
Me, I drink Scoresby. I like it so much, I even named one of my labs Ebony's Duke of Scoresby, Duke for short. For the uninformed, Scoresby is nothing but J&B that is shipped to this country in the barrel and bottled here. J&B is bottled in Scotland. That and about 50% more money is the only difference I can tell.
My kids insist on giving me some single malt that costs a fortune and I can't even pronounce for birthdays and father's day, etc. I think they do it because they know that I won't drink it and it's available to them when them come for a visit. I won't drink anything that I can't pronounce, a cardinal rule in the Turpin house. In fact, I think I'll go have a Scoresby right now!
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