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This is an idea to keep the government at bay. If the military forces of this country were partly composed of draftees do you think the powers that be would consider using military force against it's own citizens to do such things as attempt to disarm us? <P>Bullwnkl.

i don't think the gov't. will have an easy time of making the individual troops WANT to enforce such a law. even w/ chain-of-command and orders, etc, the military is still made up of individuals, at least some of which are free thinking gun owners.

Further, we are legally bound to NOT follow unlawful orders. Precedent has already been set. "I was just following orders" is not a defense. IE Lt Calley.<P>However, 40 years of liberal thinking is eroded our troops sense of right and wrong. This is a scary trend. <P>Blaine

Another point of view...<BR>It won't be OUR troops taking the firearms away from Americans, it will UN troops from other countries doing it. Ours will be sent else where during this time, perhaps to take the firearms away from other citizens in other countries. ~~~Suluuq

Suluuq<P>Excellant point! Ever since they came up with that white patch for U.S uniforms on "peace keeping" missions I have hated the sight of it and what it ultimately means. Why do we need a "World Army" and a "New World Order"? Certainly it isn't to keep somone from taking over the world. That is already happening! <B>Our</B> troops aren't in the service of a "Global Power", they are <B>our</B> troops sworn to protect and defend our country and interests, as are the troops of the other countries of the world. Doesn't the sound of somthing so ominous as <B>"New World Order"</B> sound like somthing the commies would have come up with back in the 50's? mmmmmmmmmmmm<P>------------------<BR><B>"Old dogs never die, we just get meaner!"</B><p>[This message has been edited by mtgoat (edited May 05, 2001).]

Blaine this thread does contain an element of fear. The future is a scary thing depending on how you view it. We gun owners are under attack from all quarters. We have only ourselfs to defend our legal rights. If the government were able to form the military into a force that becomes loyal only to the leaders, it's been done before, then we are in deep trouble. The use of a military draft would ensure that much of the military would not be turned against it's own people.<BR>Un troops attempting to take away our guns would find themselfs bloodied. This nation, Ihope would not stand for invading troops on our soil. A lot of political people in power would also find themselfs in danger for supporting such treason. Many gun owners would at first fall in line with the government orders, a lot would fight back. As it is said civilization as we know it would end, true as a lot of us would die and a lot more of them will die. If the military could not be counted on to attack it's own people what chance would a UN force have. These UN troops would be placed in harms way, would their nations be willing to give up a lot of troops to disarm America? Body bags make strong statements.<P>Bullwnkl.

I definately got some mixed feelings here. I can think of quite a few young guys who could use the diciplen and sense of direction military service would provide. However, in the shape this country is in, and direction it is going, it will be a cold day in hell when I allow my only son to enter our armed forces. Even if China invaded tomorrow, what would be the difference from where we'll be in 30 years? Guys, our constitution means nothing now! Our last president proved that he could get away with total disregard of the law. He hosed some tramp, lied about it under oath, and the American people didn't care! He sold presidential pardons, and still, no one bats an eye! Hell, a majority of voters even went for another pinko commie on election day! It is only by Gods grace we avioded another 4 years of Klinton rule. <BR> I really believe we're fighting for a lost cause now. If it's this bad now, whats it gonna be like in 30 years, when the kids who aren't being taught any values or sense of right and wrong, are running the show? <BR> The American people are proving that they are incapable of keeping what so many of our Forefathers died to obtain. <BR>How many people do you know who can tell you a ballplayers batting average or a quarterbacks completion percentage, but haven't a clue who their elected representatives are? Think it,s gonna get better with our "modern" education?<BR> I'm sorry guys, I've just been in a sour mood today. I'm feeling a little down, and if you dont mind, please remember me in your prayers tonight. Thanks,<BR>7mmbuster

Bukkwnkl, When you are in the military, you do as you are told wether you are a draftee or not. Do you think some Private is going to risk years in prison or worse because he dosen't think it is right to take your firearms? Better think again my friend.<P>If the goverment wants your guns, they know where to find you. Do you think that puny little rifle you own is a great threat to the military? After you fired a couple shots at someone your life would be over....LOL<P>

Jay for once you and I agree on something. This nation is doomed because no one will stand up for the constitution. You point out that my puny rifle will do no good and you are absultly correct. Alone I'm just a waco criminal trying to defend my legal rites, so I better surrender now because I know there will be no counting on folks like you to support the laws that we live by. You have your own agenda that is why we were once a great nation. Once we could be different but now the new world order is taking over and those of us who love this country will have to give it up to those who don't. <BR>Where do you stand in this question? Or do you take a stand. I think you just get your kicks by causing us to think. This is good except you are so darn contrary that you earn no respect. Try presenting an argument with your ideas and we could have a real good disscusion. Other wise have a nice life.<P>Bullwnkl.

JayH, you are mostly right. The one questionable aspect is the one about obeying orders due to threat of court martial. That would apply to a lot of people, but some, like those of us raised on the shooting sports as a good, wholesome activity, would be questionable. Think about it. Since you were probably raised on guns, would you rather shoot somebody for not turning in their gun, or go to prison and not have to worry about your conscience? And maybe those draftees that were raised that way would be able to influence the rest. <BR> I am not saying that it couldn't happen. I'm just saying that some would go to prison.

The Military did a poll a few years ago of its people and asked them if they would fire on American Citizens if given the order to. Only 18% said that they would. I can only assume that if the military was ordered to start disarming citizens, they would be in for a fight that they would not be prepared for. The oath that I took when I enlisted in the Corps was to protect and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. As far as I am concerned, any one who would try and disarm the citizens of this country using military force is an enemy and should be treated accordingly. <BR> While I realize that this type of attitude is outmoded and old fashion (according to some of our politicians, media, and some of the general public), it is one of the principles this country was founded on and I will not apologize for it, ever. As for my puny little rifle not making a difference, all I have to say regarding that is about a decade or so ago in a country far, far away called Afghanistan, a bunch of peasants kicked the bajesus out of at the time was the worlds second most powerful Army using handmade rifles made from tree stumps and plumbing pipe. Yeah they had some help from us but the locals did the fighting. It can be done if the will and determination is there.<BR>Keeb

I will say that when "they" come for my puny little rifle they had better be armed to the teeth, because I WILL be.

I think after high school, a mandantory two year hitch in the military, no married, would be a great thing for the young to transform and learn what an adult is before they get married and start a family. Every instructor has heard the new troops laying in their bunks crying the first couple of nights. The military would give them a shot at college, if they want it, and also give them a chance to travel some and learn an occupation for starters. No body piercing and wierd hair and dress. Learn about personal hygene instead of looking like a freak. -- no

Keeb<P>Bullseye!!! <P>Who can make that a cloverleaf???<P>------------------<BR><B>"Old dogs never die, we just get meaner!"</B>

I think one need look no further than kent State and the LA riots for an answer. When I heard about Kent State I was jumping with glee, kill all those draft dodging hippy freaks. Now I look back and question killing<BR>American students. Am I getting soft? Naw, I would still like to kick their asses but I woulden't kill them, just cripple them!<P>I figure if the goverment outlawed personal firearms, the military and police would enforce it. After all it would be the Law and they are sworn to enforce the law and the constitution.<P>The way I see it is if a ban occured and you resisted by taking armed action and started poping off shots at these draftees or LEO's, there is no doubt in my mind they will see you as an armed combatant and extinguish you.<P>As far as gun rights or any other rights. I am not subservient to anyone or nation. One dose not bestow Rights on freeman.<P>The second amendment dose not bestow the right to bear arms, it just restricts the goverment from infringing on them. <P>I consider the right to bear arms an inalienable right that no man gave me.<P>Every year I see fewer and fewer hunters and shooters out there as the sale of hunting lisences will show. The media has been kicking our arses for years and now we have a whole new generation brought up on " guns are bad " thinking.<P>Just last summer the grandaughter brought up a girlfriend and I asked them if they wanted to go shooting. Her girlfriend wanted nothing to do with this as guns are evil. She was 13 years old.<P>Well I took them anyway, the grandaughter has been shooting for years and her girlfriend was soon shooting that little 22. Damn near had to pry the weapon from her hand when it was time to go. She loved it.<P>The best thing I can tell you folks is to take a kid shooting and increase our numbers.<P>Have a good day.<P><BR><p>[This message has been edited by JayH (edited May 06, 2001).]

On one hand,a manditory draft will put dope smoking trash in uniform and weaken the animal as a whole on the field.<BR>On the other hand it will weaken the animals resolve against it's own citizens.....<BR>I say leave it alone as a volunteer military,and allow citizens free access to military arms the way it was intended way back yonder,before FDR and the socialists saw need to weaken the citizen.<BR>As it is,during Dessert Storm several Army units were unfit for combat,just imagine things if they all had dope smoking freaks with eyebrow rings as troops!<BR>No thanks.I cannot wish that on anyone.<BR>What a quandry!Good topic!<BR>E4E

JayH,<P>Well said! <P>Blaine

JayH that was the most intellegnt thing said on this topic so far, what happened? <BR>I was just getting used to the contrary cuss and ya changed your coat. Now I may have to think of you as a thinking man. Keep up the good work. Haven't made it to the range yet.<P>Bullwnkl.

Jay H<P>I beleive you just cloverleafed!!! Well said! <P>------------------<BR><B>"Old dogs never die, we just get meaner!"</B>

As I said before, I call them as I see them.<BR>I listen to what others say, then I analyze what is said. If it dosen't come up to par then I speek out and point to the facts as they are known and a logical answer.<P>I've been know to be wrong a couple times in my life, not often mind you. I don't mind being corrected as long as it is factual and logical. When it's not factual and logical or right, I will be the first to stick a finger in your pie.<P>Yall have a good day.<BR>