Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Why do we have the 270 anyway?

And, that is the real secret behind its success.

It works quite well on our moose and bears up here, too!

Ted

Hard to believe how most humans just do not deal well with perfection. As someone else said, and this refers to all those calibers other than the 270, "ignorant prejudice is fun".
Count me as guilty for all the stuff in the safe, but I was hunting with a 270 just this AM.

At one time I had 5 270's in my gun safe. My Uncle Felix shot nothing but. Winchester came up with a very good light recoiling flat shooting sporting cartridge for shooting Game in North America, and well it works in Africa too and else where around the globe. Back in 1925 is was as hi tec and you could get, Now its fashonable to down play its popularity and effectiveness in the game fields. Yep Saint Jack, wrote about it and extrolled its virtues. But it would have never became the cartridge it became if it did hold water on its own. Along with the 270 it also gave us the bullet revelution, because of the high Vel. We needed better bullets too. And well the rest is history. Its an almost 84 year old cartridge now, American, and being American it just goes out and dose rather then thinking about going and doing.

I currently have three 270`s, all Rugers.
I enjoy the 270 because The recoil is mild enough that you can watch the hit through the scope.

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I got nothing against the 270. There's no doubt that the 270 and 30-06 are America's two biggest sweethearts. There's also no doubt that those two calibers will kill damn near anything on this continent in the hands of a skilled rifleman...


[quote=jimmypthe .270 is a goldylocks story, its not too hot, its not too cold, its just right! What is simply facinating to me is that it simply has no recoil what so ever with the 130 grain bullet in a 7.5 pound rifle at 2900FPS, perfect in every way for deer gun. [/quote]

With the calibers, rifles, and bullets we have today, here's where my opinion differs. Instead of the above stated rifle. How 'bout a 6.5 125 grain bullet in a 6.5 pound rifle going 2900 FPS?

No JB, I don't expect the 260 to replace the 270 RIGHT NOW. I understand that hunting and rifle shooting is a sport and hobby that is very steeply drenched in TRADITION. Try telling my grampa that a Kimber Montana in 260 is a rifle, and you'll drive him to drinking. That generation was genetically programmed to believe that a "Rifle" is made out of blued steel and walnut with a fixed power scope, is a long action in 30-06 or 270, and has to weigh 8-10 Lbs in order to be shot well. There's nothing wrong with that logic, and thats why manufacturers make so many different models in so many different calibers.

100 years from now, our great grandchildren might be reading this thread archived somewhere through their Data Node Cortical Implant wondering how we ever killed deer (or fought wars) without a Pulse Phaze Lazer with a FLIR targeting system...

We have the 270 simply to set the bar high enough to make all others jump as high as they can.

I've killed more deer with the front bumper of my truck than any .270 Winchester. At 60 mph its got something near 500,000 ft lbs of energy, guts 'em too! Why all you do is scrape the good parts off and drop it in the smoker. That gooey stuff you can mold into jerky. Got me some brush bars, now the radiator lasts through a whole herd of 'em. Piddly assed little .270,is for sissy boys in fern bars - get a truck - any truck, and smack 'em!

With the calibers, rifles, and bullets we have today, here's where my opinion differs. Instead of the above stated rifle. How 'bout a 6.5 125 grain bullet in a 6.5 pound rifle going 2900 FPS?
No JB, I don't expect the 260 to replace the 270 RIGHT NOW. I understand that hunting and rifle shooting is a sport and hobby that is very steeply drenched in TRADITION. Try telling my grampa that a Kimber Montana in 260 is a rifle, and you'll drive him to drinking. That generation was genetically programmed to believe that a "Rifle" is made out of blued steel and walnut with a fixed power scope, is a long action in 30-06 or 270, and has to weigh 8-10 Lbs in order to be shot well. There's nothing wrong with that logic, and thats why manufacturers make so many different models in so many different calibers.

100 years from now, our great grandchildren might be reading this thread archived somewhere through their Data Node Cortical Implant wondering how we ever killed deer (or fought wars) without a Pulse Phaze Lazer with a FLIR targeting system... [/quote]

the problem with our .260 remington friends is that they just cannot accept that barnes makes an all copper 110 grain bullet in .277!

We tend to think of the 270 as a necked down 30-06. With a little thought, we'd see that it is actually a stretched 7x57.

I just point mine at stuff and pull the trigger. I don't think about it too much.

Terry

Those of you that say the .270 has mild recoil must have tougher shoulders than mine! My .270 is quite sharp in recoil. Just call me a pansy I guess....

However only one of those three is legal to have for hunting in Mexico.

Savage_99 -

Seems to me there was no real standardization of the 7mm bore size at the time the .270 came out. .275 Rigby, 7x57, etc. Just as there's clutter 'n' chaos around the 8mms which range from .318 to .323. Get the bigger bullet in the smaller bore and you've got pressure problems, get the smaller bullet in the bigger bore and you've got accuracy problems. There's practical reason to step away from any of those clusters of oddball variations.

If you want a standard 7mm bore in that case, just buy a .280 Remington and be done with it.

Tom

Brad,

Bless you. I was wondering how I would fill the long winter nights.

Don't forget the 35 Whelen vs 338-06 thread.

Yeah Brad. And lets save the 338WM Vs 9.3x62 thread for Febuary or so, then it too can go about 4-5 pages.

We'll wait until late Feb Early March to do the 375 Ruger Vs 375 H&H again, I'll PM you just in case you forget

And my fovorite, since I'll have two dogs in the fight is 30-06 Vs 338 Federal, both with 180 grain pills. That one will be our most pointless bitch-fest of all time I mean, then I can argue with myself for 1 page a day when I get off work at 1:00 AM. Believe me, I got nothing better to do at 1 in the morning in the dead of winter.

Been a long time since I heard a 30-30 vs 32 Special argument, too.

Bruce

If it hadn't been for Jack O'Conor, the .270 would have DRT, just like so many other fine rounds that are pretty much history at this time. But Jack wrote about it so much that people just had to try and at that point they found out that it really was just about the best combination of power, speed, and recoil to come down the pike. Almost anyone can learn to shoot the .270 with little practice or fuss.

It's still the caliber to judge by on anything under 30 caliber.

Now that that has been settled, maybe everone should help finish this next sentence. For 90% of all deer hunting, I think the 30/30 is the best round ever, because_________________.

The 7mm-08 would be the go to round if it had been around during Jack's time instead of the 270.

laughing out loud.......

That's pretty funny.And how, exactly,do you know that?

Because "why?"; J O'C would have been ballistically enlightened,and like many 7/08 fans he would have "stretched" the hell out of the cartridge to pretend it's a 270? What nonsense....

I'm fascinated by some of the notions on here...the 270 would have died if the 7-08 had been around;... the 270 would have died without O'Connor........the ballistic "holy grail" is reached with a 6.5 cal 125 Nosler Partition at 2900,that makes a .277-130 at 3100-3200 pail in comparison......in the meantime,the 270 just chews up the competition in the field of long range big game rifles(in terms of sales of rifles,and ammo,bullets, brass,dead game,everything,not only here,but world-wide).The naysayers,fans of the other largely irrelevant "stuff",sulk over their computers dreaming up ballistic voodoo to publish on the internet...their pet cartridges playing second fiddle,and sliding into oblivion...what a hoot