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And the key word here is claims.....
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Now, the next post will be about Barnes inflating BC numbers. But geez, I really gotta doubt alot of the numbers that Nosler claims in new #6, also.
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 maybe the next will also...grins Dober
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B.C numbers are kind of a moot point with me when it comes to the .338 Fed. It's a great little round, but not one that I would be shooting at elk across clear cuts at 450 yards with, that's for sure! I've got other guns for that kind of work.
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Dunno about 450, but based on the numbers for a 210 NP and my work with the .358, 400 yards should be doable, with some help from a turret or reticle.
My .358 is still packin' enough speed to be "legal" according to Nosler at 400 yards, with the 225-gn NP, and the heavier bullet tracks pretty well in the wind too.
That said- I agree with you, Jordan, in general. Just making the point that with a little work and proper bullet choice fir the job the little fatties can reach out surprisingly far...
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My .358 is still packin' enough speed to be "legal" according to Nosler at 400 yards What do mean by "legal"? -Mike-
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Above Nosler's stated minimum velocity for bullet expansion (1800 fps).
Some guys don't care about that, and for all I know they are right... but still, it's a comfort to be within the manufacturer's guidelines <grin>...
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That's what I thought you meant, but wasn't sure. Personaly I prefer to see impact speeds to be at least 2000 fps.
Not that 1800 or so wouldn't be adequate, but I guess I just like lots of zeros............
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You guyz would really be fubar if you hit an elk @ 1799 fps wouldn't you...grin Dober
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Hey todbartell, Get the new Annual Mannual from Hodgdon. Has a good article about loading DOWN to use the TTSX bullets. Even the lowly 338Fed is loaded down to 243 recoil levels and still kills a big Kudu at 200+ yds with a 160TTSX.
Get, read it, go huntin!
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You guyz would really be fubar if you hit an elk @ 1799 fps wouldn't you...grin Don't know about 1799, but at 1798 I'm sure the bullets would bounce off!! ;0)
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Hey todbartell, Get the new Annual Mannual from Hodgdon. Has a good article about loading DOWN to use the TTSX bullets. Even the lowly 338Fed is loaded down to 243 recoil levels and still kills a big Kudu at 200+ yds with a 160TTSX.
Get, read it, go huntin! I'm interested in picking this up, where?
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If I am not mistaken, I have seen/read where Conni Brooks has successfully used their 185gr bullet to take elk and I also remember reading an article in Outdoor Life (IIRC) where the author used the same bullet in his .338 Fed to take a moose in Newfoundland. If this is the case, would it be feasible to use the 5gr lighter 180gr Nosler AB for elk?
If you are torn between 160 and 210, why not go between with the 180/185gr selections?
(**my apologies if this was mentioned earlier, 8 pages is on the far end of material for me to sort through while at work)
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I know the factory loaded 180 Nosler ABs would be great on elk. Went 2730fps from my 22" Tikka. Less than claimed but equal to most 30-06/180 loads. Plenty for elk inside 300yds(?).
Accuracy was about 1.75" or so. Probably good enough for any hunting I do, but the 185TSX factory gave a little better accuracy. So that's what I've used.
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I always thought about SD as being how much caboose is back there pushing the train...
If two bullets expand equally, but one has a much higher SD... isn't there more "shank" pushing the mushroom of the higher-SD bullet through the animal?
Or, imagine two semi trucks in a head-on collision. Both have the same tractor, but one has a short trailer loaded with whatever, and the other has a long trailer loaded with the same whatever. The longer one would "penetrate" deeper... wouldn't it??
An honest question... just wondering if I'm visualizing things wrong.
Where I think you are correct, 338Fed, is that lead-core bullets tend to shed bullet weight... thus rendering SD sort of irrelevant compared to a bullet that doesn't shed weight.
But all else equal, a higher-SD bullet will penetrate deeper. I hope I'm not wrong about that because MAN that makes sense to me! :-) It makes sense all right, that I'll agree. Too bad it doesn't always work that way. Example 1- the 420 grain Flat point Hard Cast at 1380 FPS was out penetrated by the 500 JRH also at 1380 FPS at the Linebaugh Seminar in Jackson, Miss. Example 2- The 50 Alaskan revolver shooting a 525 grain Flat point harf cast at just under 1600 FPS penetrated exactly the same as the 500 JRH with the 425 grain Example 3- the 416 Rigby penetrated 4 inches less with the 410 grain solid at 3280 FPS at the same seminar
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Clearly the shape, material, and deformation action of the bullet also make a huge difference in penetration.
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jwp475,
I don't buy that those are good examples. It's apples to oranges in each case.
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Jordan Smith: I am NOT a poacher!
I used my 338 Federal for Big Game Hunting this spring (May 2,008)!
Don't be to quick to jump to conclusions!
Hold into the wind
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