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Again, just a simple "you might get shot if you come to the door drunk with a K98" on the side of a patrol car and then everyone would know.

If drunk people made good decisions, the world would be a lot simpler place.

Ouch!! A little over the top there hit n run, but that's some funny stuff.

TRH,

I have been involved in several of these situations and when we say drop the gun it is being repeated by everyone on scene. Even through auditory exclusion when several officers are yelling at you, you can hear it. We don't care if you set the gun down gently or throw it down; we just want to see movement that it is being laid down.

He was firing rounds so of course the officers are in fear that the guy could fire on them, but also the surrounding neighborhood. If you truly believe the officers came to the scene to "Make their bones� you truly are a lost individual. I don't know a cop at my department that wants to go through the personal and professional horror of taking someone�s life. Hawkeye you are out of line. If someone walked towards you with a K98 and refused to put it down, with the knowledge in your mind that they had already been negligently firing the weapons at random, what would you do? By all your previous posts, I don't see you asking him nicely and gently, to set the gun down, so that is doesn't mar the nice finish. According to you, you would have used all your training and ability to disarm him...and the responding police officers. No matter what the officers do, you can't believe that we are here to serve our community. You are a troll in the highest sense of the word.

You spend day after day thinking the worst of anyone that wears a uniform. Even when the evidence is clear you will fabricate an issue where there is none. You are a liberal with a gun. You personally attack anyone who defends the actions of people who place themselves in harms way every day. Would you do that? Have you ever done that? You then chastise us for standing up for one another publicly. What is it that you stand for. Have you ever had to stand in a riot line with people spitting in your face and throwing rocks and bottles at you, to protect a politician that you can�t stand, but you do it because its your job. You don�t react to the sex offender that calls you from the holding cell to tell you he�s gonna rape your wife, beat your child to death and burn your house down. After all that you have to hand him his meal and call him sir, because that�s your job.

We are a band of brothers, we are brothers that stand side by side doing a filthy, often disgusting job filled with some of the worst horrors imaginable and at the end of the day its not you standing there, patting me on the back and asking if I�m okay because I rolled up to a call with a family murdered by their father. It�s my partner watching my back as we enter a housing area of 72 convicted felons, it�s my Sergeant that comforts me when the job has gotten to me. It�s not you. You sit there at your computer and trash us all day long from what experience again!

From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day

I�m done!!

Hunter,

I usually stay out of these, to the point of not even reading them. When I do read them, I often wonder why so many people gang up on you. You make a lot of good points. You get carried away by the argument though. Do you see the contradiction in the following two posts?

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At 5:36 pm

As an aside, I was shooting one of my K98s this afternoon. If I am ever in a situation where I need to club someone to death with a gun, that one is the tool I am choosing. Those things are built like a brick [bleep]. That aluminum buttplate would cave a skull lickity split.

Prohibition didn't work and it's legal to be drunk at home. I don't know the exact stats, but, I believe chemical stimulation/depression is present more often than not when a person shoots another person. In other words, whether you�re the shooter or shootee, someone is not making sound, rational decisions and more often than not it�s the result of a chemical that affected the CNS of one, both or all of the combatants/victims.

For those that might be wondering,this wasn't the first run-in with the law that this dumbshit had.

The news didn't mention why,but he had the gun taken from him by the police previous to this. He had just recently gotten the rifle back.

I would venture to say that many if not most people who get a DWI start out the intention to not drive if they have too much to drink. However, after ten beers, their best available judgment tells that they can drive just fine after ten beers and that it certainly isn't "too much" because after all, they are just going down the road to get some smokes. Or whatever other drunken rational they use.

Why did they even call the police, they should have called a counselor to handle the shots fired call.

Thats the problem with people these days. Nobody is willing to have a love in with group hugs when the neighbor gets tipsy and starts discharging weapons.

Since someone died I won't reply as I normally would.

Nice post.

I don't believe that.

However, it would make a great study!

I know a lot of them do. Of course, the people with more than two or three just don't give a crap. And they are the really dangerous ones.

From my experience in seeing these people, the guys who are .15 and below almost never cause a serious accident. The ones who get drunk and run into a car full of kids are the pieces of crap who have had three or four and have a BAC that would drop an elephant.

Well, I'll have to bow to your expertise here. I know you've seen more DWI/DUI clients than I've arrested by faaar, and although they lie to you too, they lie less to you than to the police. I know I would.

I know Im being a asshat but I just dont understand. Maybe I havnt been beaten by the police enough. Maybe Im just ignorant. When I read a story like this I actually think that the police used deadly force because they had to.

I certainly dont think " How could they shoot that poor scared stiff man trying to protect his collectible rifle"

That seems like stupid thinking to me. Now, Im kind of a self proclaimed Idiot. So When I think someone is talking stupid, I cant help but be a smart ass.

Bushwhacker, as I've maintained all along, I'm perfectly open to the possibility of this being a good shoot. I wasn't there, so don't know either way. My first reaction, absent clear evidence to the contrary, however, is going to be suspicion that someone's rights were violated by government agents. I see this, in fact, as the duty of every American. Anyone considering a career as a cop should expect this from the citizenry. Suspicion, however, is not an inference of guilt.

DWI clients don't lie. By then they have sobered up and they are for the most part, pretty disgusted and embarrased. They just want to get it over as painlessly as possible.

Now, the ones who have already had three or four DWIs are another matter. They are serious alcoholics and most of them like being alcoholics. Those are the ones who get a BAC of .25 and kill someone. They fully intend to drive drunk because they are never sober. When they go out, they elevate their normal state of drunkeness to a "kill any normal human being" level of drunkeness.

Absolutely believable coming from the likes of you. I was going to insult you but thought you aren't even worth being calling a stupid [bleep].

Careful H&R, he's superman. Able to talk anyone out of any situation and has 10yrs of jujitsu to back up his super ego.

Don't forget that I can shoot the head off a fly at twenty paces and always pack a .45.