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with all of the discussion of proper bullets we're ignoring the army of guys who, on a yearly basis, pick up the .270 that their dad bought for them and go hunting...
they buy their ammo at wally world or the co-op, and most of them shoot the cheapest load they can pick up... some have a decided preference for winchester brand, some for remington...
i've got a cousin who i feel represents the typical hunter pretty well.
he kills an elk and a muley every year, and he does it with the 130 cor-lokt... shot from the remington 700 that his dad gave him when he graduated high school... it's the only rifle in his home... i get the impression that he feels sorry gor me in that i have changed rifles so often through the years...
he admits that he would have preferred a model 70 in his younger days... he got over it....
i'm thinking that he is far more the typical hunter than most of us here at the fire... he is dead serious about his hunting, and righteously proud of his rifle... he's not a one box a year shooter either... he guessed a while back that he shot a box a month... all through one rifle, that adds up over time
somehow though, he missed the boat on all of the "serious" stuff like the tsx and the accubond...
he is aware of the partition bullet and it's reputation on tough game... he just doesn't feel the need of it for the "average" hunting that he does....
a bit of a one sided post, here, as i haven't addressed the 7x57 cartridge...
truth is, the only one that i've hunted with was the 77 ruger that a prison bound friend left with me... it was a great rifle, and i used it on one trip to take a whitetail... as far as i'm aware, it's the only 7x57 that i've ever seen while out hunting... sheltered life.....
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johnw - i have no doubt most hunters are like your friend. we here on the fire are a very small minority when compared to the numbers that actually hunt each season. but hey, a guys gotta have something to do instead of watching tv.
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John: Hotsoup is being very polite...we, here, are crazy and obsessed 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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It's simple. The 7X57 is cool and the 270 is, well never mind.
just kidding
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we, here, are crazy and obsessed You say that as though it were a bad thing.
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we, here, are crazy and obsessed You say that as though it were a bad thing. "....we here are crazy and obsessed   Denton: That better? 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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For the umpteenth time, I was reading one of my favorite cartridge books and was struck, again, by what seems to me to make little sense.
I read the author strongly advise against (though he doesn't rule out) the .270 Win. for use on elk. Then, a few pages later, the statement is made that the 7x57mm with a 175-gr. bullet is an elk-getter.
Now, I have enough sense to respect the opinions of the true professionals in this arena, as opposed to the thinking of the bizarrely obsessed amateur (that'd be me), but there's no way I can bring myself to bridge the mental gap from ".270 = BAD" to "7 Mauser = Good" here.
I could be flat-out wrong, but I just don't see how the 7x57mm Mauser can ever be thought to be more cartridge than the .270 Win. Isn't the .270 WCF simply the more powerful of the two in any situation? Can a 175-gr. 7x57mm truly give anything more than a good 160-gr. (or even 150-gr.) bullet out of the .270 Win.???
Perhaps it's just nostalgia that makes folks give the nod to the 7x57mm in this situation. I don't know. What do you think?
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Scott I've noted the same inconsistencies in loading manuals, especially those that contain sections prepared by different writers (Nosler is the one that comes to mind). I guess it just reflects the opinions of each writer with no editing or clarification to clear up the inconsistencies.
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I have a copy of an article that appeared in the Aug 1973 edition of Sports Afieldby John Jobson that is a classic on this very subject - THE 7/57: The Welterweight Rifle With The Heavyweight Punch. "There are a few enduring cartridges which... outperform their paper ballistics. These cartridges include the .375 H&H (1912), the .270 (1925) and the 7/57 (1893) I agree that the .270 and 7x57mm are in the same class and work very well - even on elk. If I took a 7x57mm to Africa, I would have to have it re-stamped as ".275 Rigby" however - that makes it work much better over there
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I have a copy of an article that appeared in the Aug 1973 edition of Sports Afieldby John Jobson that is a classic on this very subject - THE 7/57: The Welterweight Rifle With The Heavyweight Punch. "There are a few enduring cartridges which... outperform their paper ballistics. These cartridges include the .375 H&H (1912), the .270 (1925) and the 7/57 (1893) I agree that the .270 and 7x57mm are in the same class and work very well - even on elk. If I took a 7x57mm to Africa, I would have to have it re-stamped as ".275 Rigby" however - that makes it work much better over there Well, I met a guy at the range once that was shooting his own wildcat that he claimed was really good. He used the 270 Winchester case and necked it up to 30 caliber (true story!!) and said it was better then the standard 30-06. I looked at the barrel and it was actually stamped "30-270 Winchester" The gunsmith must still be laughing!
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Well, I met a guy at the range once that was shooting his own wildcat that he claimed was really good. He used the 270 Winchester case and necked it up to 30 caliber (true story!!) and said it was better then the standard 30-06. I looked at the barrel and it was actually stamped "30-270 Winchester" The gunsmith must still be laughing! That is PRICELESS...
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270 Winchester case and necked it up to 30 caliber Oh that's a good one! Thanks!
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OK guys let's face it there has not been a cartage developed since 1925 that was really needed. Although I am fond of a few of the Weatherby Magnums.
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OK guys let's face it there has not been a cartage developed since 1925 that was really needed. Although I am fond of a few of the Weatherby Magnums.
i don't know about that, cole... the .222 changed the world in 1950, fer instance.....
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Well, I met a guy at the range once that was shooting his own wildcat that he claimed was really good. He used the 270 Winchester case and necked it up to 30 caliber (true story!!) and said it was better then the standard 30-06. I looked at the barrel and it was actually stamped "30-270 Winchester" The gunsmith must still be laughing! That is PRICELESS... Best thing I have read on here in a long time! Classic!
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I certainly hope the gunsmith charged the guy for a custom reamer, even though one obviously wasn't needed. Stupidity like that begs to be fined....
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Yep. The shooter was fined for a new barrel for his custom wildcat rifle.
I never could figure out why the 'smith did not tell the guy that the 30-06 is just as good as a 30-270 Winchester! Certainly, he is guilty of taking advantage of a simple mind!
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OK guys let's face it there has not been a cartage developed since 1925 that was really needed. Although I am fond of a few of the Weatherby Magnums.
What!! Are you telling me that all the new guns/cartridges that I've bought over the past 50 years are not really needed and can be duplicated by the 22 Hornet, 220 Swift, 257 Roberts, 30-06 and 375 H&H? This is heresy and my wife would be really angry to learn of all the money I've wasted. I�ve been telling her that I really needed a new gun for that new cartridge that would kill deer better and more humanely.
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OK guys let's face it there has not been a cartage developed since 1925 that was really needed. Although I am fond of a few of the Weatherby Magnums.
Make that 1888. RSY
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Frisco,
Boy I'd really be interested in reading that 35 year old article by Jobson. I suppose it doesn't appear anywhere else on the "net"? It would be fun to assemble a collection of old 7x57 articles and post them here.
Of course if it was about the 275 Rigby, we couldn't read it unless we owned a pith helmet or a Toyota Land Cruiser!
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