Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Remingtons new line if Triangle Barrel Rifles??

I always thought they used a magic 8 ball, but the ouija board may be right.

Somebody here must already own one. It's inconceivable that amongst the 20,000 members here nobody has one.

Step out of the closet whoever you are and give us a report.

I own one (won it in a drawing, a .204) and have shot several others in various calibers. It is called the 700 VTR (Varmint-Target Rifle).

The first 100-yard group out of my .204, with factory ammo, had four shots touching and the 5th a little out. The other rifles I've shot have been very accurate too, and the reports I've gotten from other shooters have been favorable as well.

If the factory stock is a cull, I like culls. I find it very good for its purposes, and haven't modified the bedding at all, as I have done with almost all the dozens of Remington 700's I've owned.

They may have settled on the triangular barrel just because it's cool, but more likely for the same stiffness/weight advantages of a fluted barrel, but exaggerated. The VTR's shoot more like a heavy-barreled rifle, but weigh more like a sporter. My .204 weighs 8 pounds 9 ounces with a 2-12x Swarovski Z6 in Talley steel mounts.

Two hunting buddies have them. Both are extremely accurate. (And I know what accurate is.)

JB,

Your results have me excited about the prospects for my buddy's 308 VTR. I've put together some really straight reference cartridges to test it with.

mathman

If these have the X-mark trigger in them and don't sell well the 1 in 9 twisted 223 will be one I'll watch the auction sites for. Can't have too many small bolt faces/223's.

Would the triangular shape affect the oscillation of the barrel?

It would seem to me that a round barrel when fired, would oscillate in any number of directions and would be affected by various barrel-to-stock pressures from the 180 degrees of barrel channel. That's why changing pressure points, or allowing the barrel to free float entirely, or adding a Boss modifies the oscillation in a controllable manner.

With a triangular profile, I would guess that oscillation would only happen in one of three directions. If the barrel is bedded or laid in the stock in such a way that two of possible oscillations would be eliminated or reduced(side-to side), then the only probable oscillation would be vertical. Of course, this should show more vertical groupings I would think.

Or it could be just a marketing gimmic.

I'm holding out for Star shaped.

I'm hoping maybe next year.

I think this new rifle will sell because a lot of guy's including me will think it looks cool, whether it makes a stiffer more accurate platform I cant say ( but I do doubt seriously) I still predict that Remington has a good little gimmick going here and will sell an azz-load of this new design, hell I'll probably buy one Myself............547.

The triangular barrel will receive the same input force as a round barrel. The twist will impart a rotational twist to the barrel, modeling the response of a triangular barrel is no more difficult than a tapered cylinder.

Here's one way to look at it: start with a round barrel and cut three equally spaced flats to make your triangular barrel. Makes it clear to me which barrel is better.

I do agree they look cool.

The comparison should be with a round barrel of the same weight.

Mosin octagonal receivers are supposed to be stronger than round ones. I don't know about barrels. How does the triangle barrel lay in the stock? Point up or flat up? Mayhap a square barrel would work? It would fit better in a 2x4 stud stock. Sometimes I wonder and then I wander.

I'll repeat what's been said before, I have 2 friends that have the VTR. One ine 223 and the other in 308. Both rifles are above average accurate with factory ammo.

The 223 was purchased while he was on an antelope hunt. He ran into a prarie dog town that needed attention. He went to the nearest town and bought the only 223 available (VTR) and 10 boxes of green and yellow ammo. Pulled the scope and mounts off his other gun and sighted in the 223, in 4 shots he claims. Shot 200 rounds in 1 day never cleaned, didn't break in, nothing special. Came home and shot some .75" groups with some handloads. This guy is as much a nut as the rest of us here and loves the "plastic gun." He's old school to say the least. Now you know...............

Joseph

Have the VTR .308, added a Nikon Buckmaster 4x14 I had on the shelf, shoots 168gr in a .75" diameter three shot groups 100m. Had some handloads that were hollow point light loads I put together for my kids Tikka's, they were in a nice triangle that was covered by a quarter at 100m. That was the first time at the range. Recoil is very light for .308 with the muzzlebreak and I added a R3 pad.

VTR .223 sitting in the box while I get some optics.

I like them. The stocks are tupperware, functional, not free floated barrel, might be able to dremel engineer some more barrel clearance in the stock.

Out of the box, its a very good shooter (.308)

...That is more to the point! I was trying to point out in my first post in this thread that "Removing" steel from a round barrel, cutting it to a triangle, or whatever shape, is an exercise in futility since the loss of steel will reduce the barrels stiffness and resistance to harmonic vibrations... That is not to say that one profile cannot create a stiffer barrel, given an equal quantity of steel in it's construction.

...As I said in my earlier post, many people seem to believe that milling flutes into a barrel will increase it's stiffness. That is not true, since the steel removed in the process reduces the strength and stiffness of the barrel. Fluting a round barrel does however increase it's cooling ability since it produces a greater surface area to exchange BTUs. A fluted barrel using a like quantity of the same steel as the round barrel certainly should increase stiffness over the round barrel. A triangle barrel would be stiffer in certain vectors of travel, while being more easily bent in others vectors of movement. The point being, that triangle barrels might prove to have a tendency of harmonic vibration that would be different than the equidistant vibrations normally seen in a round barrel.
.... Whether the triangle form will prove itself to be an accuracy improvement will be shown in time. I doubt it will prove itself more accurate than the round barrel, unless comparing triangle barrels of greater mass to a lighter round barrel.

Are the going to produce a "TEXAS" shaped one next year?

It might be a BIG seller!

Looks like Remington is going after the Bubba market with all that goofy looking cammo, muzzle brakes and triangle barrels.

I am VERY traditional when it comes to rifles. I like wood, steel and always' think a control round feeding is a nice touch.

They had one of those triangle barreled rifles at Sportsmans Warehouse not long ago. I laughed when I saw it and told the salesman to hand it over the counter. I swung it and shouldered it a few times. I pointed it and shouldered it a few more. I wanted to hate this rifle because it looked so goofy. I handed it back to the salesman and had to admit, "I kinda like that." I still don't own one yet.

Terry

To quote the brilliant HL Mencken, "No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American Public."

Remington is living proof of the veracity of this statement... NASCAR AMERICA REJOICE

Triangles are more stiffer than round, given the same weight.

The one that I shot was very light weight and had very little recoil, and accurate ...was in 308.