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Originally Posted by isaac
We'll see, huh pumpkin?

You see, you thinking you got it right only convinces you that you got it right. Lot's of players made it big on your thinking!

I could never be happy at a 4% return on a safe,gotta pay my heating bill ride. But, you gotta do what you gotta do! I'm cool with that. At least, all you have to do is open envelopes and meekly peek rather than talking to the players and getting in the fray! The fray is not a fun way to go for the ones content on whining and bragging they found the solution so, I don't begrudge you the very safe way. I gave you undeserved credit at 4%, didn't I?


uh-huh,...just keep on "playing with the players"

,...as Dr Phil would ask,..

"How has that been working out for ya?"

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Mike...guys who've been on the Governemnt tit their whole lives want Obama as they don't know how to be off the G tit and they don't wanna lose out. Bam-Bam is their insurance policy!

Bottom line...easy!


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Word!


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uh-huh,...just keep on "playing with the players"

,...as Dr Phil would ask,..

"How has that been working out for ya?"
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Come April,be careful when you do those nervous little peeks in your investment envelopes!

You're a decent man so I will still give you a shoulder but,...you were warned!


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wishing economic failure and foreign disaster on your own country is just sick.....its a leftist democrat thing. real Americans don't do it.


I agree in principle.

But I honestly believe that another 9/11 is what the country needs to realize that GWB was actually headed in the right direction.

BMT


You would have to be a fool to think this will NOT happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are spot on.


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Originally Posted by mike762


Estate taxes are the worst taxes of all as they destroy any institutional gains made by an individual or a family and give them to the state. This keeps most individuals that have a small farm or business from passing that on to their family after death.



I'm going to have to go with property taxes. Buy a piece of real estate and spend the rest of your life paying rent to the govt for the 'privilege' of ownership.

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I'm sick of all the Bush Haters on here. for the majority of you, you think that way because of the media feeding it to you for the last few years, setting the stage for BHO. I seriously want to know specifically what GW did to hurt us. not generalizations and guesses, but specifics. personally I believe he has had the deck stacked against him from the beginning by the media.
like it or not we're headed for a reckoning in this country. and very possibly we are at the start of a very long fight to reset the country, and we may even lose it for a while.
BUT the american spirit and passion we all have, WILL overcome in the long run. even if it takes 100 years.

and thats IF BHO isn't the Antichrist. If he is, we don't have to worry about the politics on earth


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Originally Posted by Colorado1135
I seriously want to know specifically what GW did to hurt us.


Run the national debt up an additional 4 trillion dollars.

Encouraged additional illegal immigration by voicing support for amnesty.

Pretty much destroyed the primary vehicle for conservatism in America (the GOP) with his ineptitude.

Lied us into a no win, no benefit to America, war in Iraq.

That's the short list.

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I don't disagree trips, but property taxes are usually local or state, vice federal. You have a better chance of changing the local tax situation than you do the federal one, as access to your local and state reps is alot easier, and the constituencies smaller.


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Originally Posted by Colorado1135
I seriously want to know specifically what GW did to hurt us.


Run the national debt up an additional 4 trillion dollars.

Encouraged additional illegal immigration by voicing support for amnesty.

Pretty much destroyed the primary vehicle for conservatism in America (the GOP) with his ineptitude.

Lied us into a no win, no benefit to America, war in Iraq.

That's the short list.

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I seriously want to know specifically what GW did to hurt us.
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The very worst thing about the Bambam Presidency is that the Driveby Media was 100% for it. That means that we will never, ever know when the Bambam Presidency fails. It may be in the history books but look who is writing the history books these days (Zinn, Chomsky, et al.) and 100 years is a long time to wait.


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Bristoe: Bush lied us into a no win war in Iraq.

And the lies were? Oh, you means weapons of mass destruction? Then Tony Blair lied, so did the Frogs and the Poles and the Israelis and even a stoned cat's favorites the Russians.


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Originally Posted by djs
You know, Obama was democratically elected to the Presidency by a majority of the population. Some may not like his election, but it was a free election in the best tradtion of America - this is what we hold up to the world to emulate.

If people want him to fail, they should move from this Republic to Venezuela, Cuba, China or some other nation that better suits them.

We (the US) pioneered democracy in the modern world.



Well I'm confused, other than the economy what are you hoping he succeeds on, coming around and governing like a conservative?

It it turns out that he does govern with a socialist agenda of higher taxes, tougher gun control and more federal programs, are you still hoping for a successful Obama presidency?







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Originally Posted by 3Eighths
Bristoe: Bush lied us into a no win war in Iraq.

And the lies were? Oh, you means weapons of mass destruction? Then Tony Blair lied, so did the Frogs and the Poles and the Israelis and even a stoned cat's favorites the Russians.


,..and your point is?

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There's never a point.

It's the argument that if everyone else sucks, your guy should get a free pass for sucking.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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A government may fail,... but it will be the last institution standing.

It will make certain that everything else goes first.


Hard to argue against that....just hopin' you are wrong. Little will suprise me, in the next few years....but I'll hold out hope cuz I am bent that way...


Oh,...I have hope too,... but I don't kid myself about what's between our current situation and the recreation of true personal liberties.

They're on the downswing now,...as is the American government.

A freedom oriented government won't just *happen* because the people want it to.

What's going on in this country today has been played out in history before,.... and it took a major stink to get it made halfway right again.

It's a cyclical thing. Governments "govern" society,... and regardless of how inept and corrupt they become,...they don't give up power just because the people politely ask them to step aside.

The screws are being turned right now because of what's coming. It won't be us old farts in the squabble,... but the next generation or two is going to either take the bastards to task or get used to bending over for them.

It's the same old story,..absolute power corrupts absolutely,...and human nature is human nature.


DITTOS!!!! Right on!!!!! Could not have said it better!!!!!


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exactly
EVERY President has made screw ups and hindsight is 20/20.

there was evidence of weapons of mass destruction, Saddam used them in the past on his own people, heck he got some of the technology from us in the past. did he have them? you bet your azz he did. were they moved before we invaded, most likely.
once we discovered that, how do you pull out? once you go to war, you're committed. we had no other choice but to see it through to completion.

there is an amazing uproar throughout the media screaming Bush is horrible, even though he hasn't done anything worse than some of the last presidents we had. Clinton must have been great, because you rarely hear anything bad about him.

the national debt rose, it was gonna rise no matter what, its gotten to the point its unstoppable.

the downward spiral of the economy is directly related to the media. as soon as it started a downward trend it was screamed from the rooftops we were headed for a recession, which scared people, who in turn stopped spending, which in turn hurt the economy and again it was screamed from the rooftops, and people got more scared. then they could insert their "messiah" candidate and tell people all bad would go away if he came into office. they all started worshiping him because these "horrible" and desolate times we are living in will come to an end. which is why they didn't care about who he was or wasn't, their dream world focused on the man the media put in front of them, and to realize that dream is a fantasy is more than they care to admit to themselves, its too devastating. they would rather be living in worse times, but being told its better, than to live in mediocre times and be told its the worst time in history since the 30's
FEAR drives the average American. and its an unrealized fear, just the thought of it is enough.



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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by Colorado1135
I seriously want to know specifically what GW did to hurt us.


Run the national debt up an additional 4 trillion dollars.

Encouraged additional illegal immigration by voicing support for amnesty.

Pretty much destroyed the primary vehicle for conservatism in America (the GOP) with his ineptitude. (Already destoyed by his stupid father)

Lied us into a no win, no benefit to America, war in Iraq. (That's bullshitt and you know it)

That's the short list.

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I haven't read every Bristoe post on here but I think Bristoe has his head on straight on this political and economic thingy.

Friday I was listening to Limbaugh and I thought I was listening to Bristoe. Limbaugh said he found out the hard way that like football and most major pro sports the fix was in concerning the stock market. That only the insiders could make money because they were the ones fixing the market. I concur that the fix is in and I'm adjusting my portfolios as profits are made or losses taken. I'm looking at three or four ETF's that track gold, oil and gas, and the dollar. I'll buy and sell those as they look profitable. All cash will be in Muni's bought directly or CD's at local banks.

We live in a fascist's economy and it looks to stay that way for the foreseeable future.

As to the political parties, both major political parties are over it's just a matter of time before both parties merge into one party. The new third party that comes on board will be the one that incorporates the old Republican idea of limited government and controlled anarchy. That new third party though is a long ways away.


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Originally Posted by Colorado1135


the national debt rose, it was gonna rise no matter what, its gotten to the point its unstoppable.



Did you forget about the increased spending under Bush that caused the debt to rise? Just look at his Medicare legislation, or when he doubled the size of the Dept of Education, or when he created a redundant intelligence agency(dept of Homeland Security) or the fact he didn't veto one earmark until Dems took control of Congress. If you look, you might see how Bush has increased government spending by about 50% since he took office and why our debt has soured by almost 100%.


Yeah we didn't have much choice in the last couple elections but to say Bush was a fiscal disappointment is a vast understatement.

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