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Might as well add me, too. I stepped even more outside the box, didn't vote for Obama or McCain. Voted for Bob Barr. May have not had a chance, though I agreed with his politics thus he got my vote.
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You're just confusing the whole issue with facts and logical reasoning. You can't have an honest dialog with a liberal. Their ideology just won't allow it. How could a liberal ever run on their actual platform? What are they going to say?
We say that we're for "sensible gun ownership" but what that really means is that we would like to legislate away gun ownership as much as possible because there is no reason for a person to own a gun...and besides the 2nd Amend was meant only for militias like the national guard.
We say we're for free speech, but what we really mean is that we would like to legislate away any speech that is negative to our positions, like talk radio, Fox News, etc. But we're OK with flag burning. We're also against racist speech, that should be a crime....what a minute..we already made it a crime. We're also against free speech if it means political donations to politicials groups that we don't support. What we are for is the public funding of offensive and/or vulgar and/or blasphemous displays that someone out there calls art.
We say we're for tax cuts, but what we really mean is that we want to send welfare checks to people that weren't paying any taxes to begin with. We have no interest in cutting taxes for people that own businesses or create new jobs. If you can find a small business owner that supports us, let us know, because we can't. We're happy to "create jobs" as long as they're government jobs and hopefully we can fill them with minorities. That works out great for us because they're impossible to fire no matter how incompetent they are...and they also make great allies when we're in charge.
We have no interested in immigration reform, we don't even pretend to because most of these folks will likely vote for us, so long as we continue to provide every immigrant, legal or otherwise, with every social service that we have.
We like to pretend that we're patriotic, like wearing a flag pin, when its popular to do so, but when it isn't, then we don't have to pretend anymore. The military budget is always the first one that we look to cut. It makes perfect sense to put a liberal political hack in charge of CIA, because we really hate those guys the most. Hell, all they are are a bunch of mercenaries that are out of control, burning villiages and torturing innocent folks. We had those guys pegged when we were spitting on them at the airport in the 1970's...its just that we grew up and now we're running the country.
We're for the separation of church and state, but what that really means is that we're against christians. We're fine with muslims..and any other group out there that generally hates this country. Even through we're supported by many jews in this country, we generally hate the Israelis and look at them like the true terrorists in the region, sort of like we view the US.
We say we want the world to respect this country again...what we really mean is that we need for the British, German, and French tabloids to "like" us. Never mind that they never will, but we have to try because they're better and smarter than we are. That means not acting like the superpower that we are. And besides, Europe had to endure 8 years of a "cowboy" like Bush.
We should never have poked our nose into Iraq...the UN was handling things over there just fine. Just like they do everywhere they intervene. Saddam was getting rich, so was France, Germany, and Russia....and we messed it all up.
We say we're the champions of education, but what we really want is to throw as much money into it as possible. Never mind the lack of results or accountability, there is no problem that govt can't solve by spending more money on it. Never mind that DC spends $12k per year, per child and has the lowest national scores...doesn't matter because that money is paying a lot of liberal teachers and administrators that we count on for votes. We're against vouchers (even though they are wildly popular with the average folks...you know the voters) because once people pull their kids out of the social experiment that school has become, the cat is out of the bag. We're perfectly fine with counties spending more for administrator that they allocate for the students...hell we top that everyday with the Dept of Education. We need that 40 story office bldg in DC, where there are no kids, but plenty of PhD's and secretaries, and fancy offices, and think tanks, and computers and files..because there has to be plenty of fat to go around. Come on a lot of folks work in these offices and we're trying to "create jobs".
See what I mean...there is no way to have an honest dialog with a liberal. Their entire platform is built on a foundation of lies.
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I voted for Obama. No, I'm not "a liberal". He was the better of the two tickets and not by a little.
If you are a social conservative or single issue voter (guns, abortion, etc), then you will disagree with me, perhaps violently <g>. I'm not a single-issue voter. I voted for who I thought was the better candidate for the times, overall. McCain is a good man but he's old, rigid if not calicified mentally, and didn't give the impression that he even wanted to win- especially at the end there. His decision making is suspect, as witnessed by choosing Palin for... for... uh... her gender and rabid social conservatism, maybe? Maybe? Not much else there.
Obama is doing fine so far, not that there's much "good" to be done. He's interfacing with Congress, listening, and trying to project calm (which McCain was TERRIBLE at). Let's face it- he's [bleep] just like McCain would have been. The economy is a MESS and it's not his doing, and there's no magic wand to wave to fix it. Let us not forget who our fearless leader was for the 8 years prior, and who gave away a trillion dollars to THE WRONG PEOPLE (if there even are "right people" for such stupidity) on his way out the door.
You want to tell me that Republicans are fiscal conservatives, warn me first so I don't blow beer out my nose, OK?
If McCain had won, we'd be going down the same path we are going down now- right? Can we all admit that? We'd all be complaining about the stupid McCain economic stimulus package. he'd be drawing down the war in Iraq over the next 4 years. The rhetoric might be different, but the results would be more or less the same.
As to Obama partying in college... give me a BREAK... who DIDN'T!? George W. Bush snorted coke, smoked pot, and drank like a fish... yet we all voted for HIM.
I know posting this won't endear me to some of you. Oh well. Hopefully you'll at least have some respect for the fact that I ain't gonna lie to you or pretend to be something I'm not. I'm a hippie redneck <g>, live out in the woods, got my guns and trucks and chain saws, but I also got my guitars, mountain bikes, and skiis...damned if I will close my mind and just swallow what the RNC or DNC is putting out. I'll use my own head and decide on the candidates on a case-by-case basis.
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heff, you are one stoopid man.
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I might strongly disagree with Jeff's choice but he did take the time to outline his reasoning. It would be nice to see those who disagree with him at least explain their position like TomSmith above instead of resorting to 3rd grade name calling.
How do people expect to change minds by throwing insults?
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"He's interfacing with Congress, listening, and trying to project calm"
Standing in front of the cameras and saying we need this (stimulus) now or face catastrophic consequences is really projecting calm. Dinglebarry is a socialist.
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How do people expect to change minds by throwing insults? You have a valid point, but the choice to vote for Obama was an emotional not a rational one in many cases. It's about feeling good, and not a lot of mind was brought to bear on the decision. Slick marketing 101 and it sure sucked in at least one here!
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So you voted for a Marxist who believes in income redistribution, moronic global warming, abortion on demand, homos in the military, total confiscation of civilian firearms, appeasement with terrorists and a grand total of 143 days as an active senator. Not going to call you an idiot, but thanks a whole pantload ace...jorge JorgeI is correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obama's a socialist cancer, a racist, a liar, a baby killing, homosexual supporting, mega spending, terrorists loving, military weakening, economy killing, unexperienced, crook supported, American hating, sorry excuse for a citizen let alone president and commander and chief!!!!!!!! Obamination voters have elected the absolute worse president and congress EVER!!!! Socialism and liberalism are both cancers that should be killed. May God forgive and save this once great nation...America.
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I might strongly disagree with Jeff's choice but he did take the time to outline his reasoning. It would be nice to see those who disagree with him at least explain their position like TomSmith above instead of resorting to 3rd grade name calling.
How do people expect to change minds by throwing insults? What's to explain? 'heff' uses every opportunity to push his 'Bush hatred.' And nothing he says shows me anything but his left-wing idiocy and wishful thinking. Instead of quietly shutting up and just being quiet about a stupid choice, 'heff' will forever try to defend his stoopdity - which is classic for a former druggie and hippie. Bush was a disappointment in many ways. But I believe Bush also tried to be a patriot (in his way). The "immaculate magic negro" * is just another Chicago thug, who wants to shape the country into their dispicable image.Just look at that bastard Rohm Emmanual. Or Rev wright. Or Bill Ayers, or Farrakan, or Jesse Jackson, or bamster's stoopid wife! I don't like any of those people nor anything about them. And I won't got there! * Is that 3rd grade enough?
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Well I have some choice third grade words for Rohm Emmanual myself.lol
That guy is just evil.
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Well I have some choice third grade words for Rohm Emmanual myself.lol
That guy is just evil. Well Rrroae, you and I can agree on that! Cheers. It truly beggars me that some poliwhores and so-called citizens ( democraps in this case) actually want to destroy their country. Have a hard time getting my head around that!
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How do people expect to change minds by throwing insults? You have a valid point, but the choice to vote for Obama was an emotional not a rational one in many cases. It's about feeling good, and not a lot of mind was brought to bear on the decision. Slick marketing 101 and it sure sucked in at least one here! So very, very, very true. They boxed up "hope" with a pretty multi-colored ribbon of diversity and peace....and sat it next to a media derived Bush bash....and then there was Palin to REALLY botch the scene. It was hard to watch....but it worked for them. Train wreck...on all accounts. JMHO.
Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. -- Mark Twain
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People who still think there's a difference between Democrats and Republicans are starting to remind me of this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTNyKIGXiI
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There's nothing wrong with Palin, but the men and women who hate her will "derive" something.
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Is ringing oratory or bewitching stagecraft ever a reliable presage of eventual actuality?
"Good enough" isn't.
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Woooooooooba....dude. Really, I never said I 'hated' her. Hard to get me to hate much, aside from ppl who abuse children and animals.
Matter of fact, I have little doubt she has a good heart and her priorities are decent. That said, her lack of knowledge on important issues didn't help the ticket. T'was all I was saying.....
Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. -- Mark Twain
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You and trashely judd should hook up......you both need help! Now that's foooney! I don't care who ya' are!
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Jane this isn't directed at you.
The people I've spoken to that hate Palin say she's stupid. I ask exactly how they come to that conclusion but they can't/won't give an intellignet answer. It's usually the couric interview that they recite. Gimme a frikken break. She had zero prep time before she stepped onto this stage and frankly I think she was far too reined in.
I wonder if bammy could tell us what biden's career accomplishments were in congress? Notice I didn't say the opposite. lol
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If your campaign slogan is "bringing Hope for Change", then you never really have to accomplish anything to fulfill it....
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Houndgirl ..... Okay, I misunderstood you. My apology.
Palin is as knowledgeable as 40-plus other governors on non-state/domestic issues.
One tragedy will be necessary for her to succeed in politics outside of Alaska however. She will need to become cynical and aware of how ugly the people are who mean to destroy her and people like her family and friends.
To bad such 'evil people' can't just say to themselves "that Palin is different from them."
And then leave it at that!
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