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To tell a youngster trying to learn the proper handling of firearms that dry- firing is a safe practice, is like saying there is no such thing as Santa Claus! And I guess my question is, why would anyone want to do that?

Safety

Be sure the gun is unloaded. Place all live ammo in a marked container and place it in another room. Dry fire against a suitable backstop. (like a masonry wall)





Here is some info from Andy Webber of Armament Technolgy regarding some questions which have surfaced in the past.



Andy says:



1) Dry firing: On centerfire bolt action rifles, little damage results from regular dry firing; especially with cock-on-opening rifles such as most modern types. What does cause damage (to Remington 700's anyway) is slamming the bolt closed on an empty chamber on a regular basis. By doing this, the primary extraction camming surfaces slam into one another before they are rotated to produce sliding angular (camming) contact. This raises a burr on

both the receiver and bolt handle camming surfaces. My advice is to close the bolt gently on an empty chamber, and just raise and lower the bolt handle to cock the action each time you wish to dry fire. The benefits gained by the marksman by dry firing, with respect to trigger control and familiarity of the human interface with the rifle, are many. From my discussions with *very* accomplished Service Rifle marksmmen, I have developed the opinion that for positional shooting (ie: service rifle standing, kneeling, sitting) dry firing at an appropriately-sized target can be more valuable practice than live shooting.



Thanks Andy

Unless I've miss something, not one place did this Andy guy mention safety.

DFTFT !

Pffffft....

Dry firing in a controlled system of procedures is a totally safe and practical way of position shooting practice.

Dry firing while testing a firearm in a controlled procedure is a perfectly safe and accepted gunsmithing practice.

The Canadian Military teaches us to let the striker down by dry firing after making certain a weapon is empty.

Random dry firing at something or someone in a deer camp, as you would have us believe is not an accepted practice.

To which practice , procedure, or trolling lure would you like us to respond to? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Catnthehat

please notice you?ve referenced the military, which is training for offense tactics for killing people, non-defense.

Carp, on the other hand....

SFTFT !

Hehe, you retard, I have finally figured out why you think the movie, "Deer Hunter," is in your experience, the best movie ever made about the war in Vietnam.



Your obsession with dry firing and your father's Nazi hunting camp rules, leads me to believe that the members of his hunting party, in an effort to get you to shut your yap, used to place the muzzles of their weapons against your empty skull and to then pull the trigger to make certain their guns were unloaded.

So that would make hunting defensive? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
so leave out the military thing and military training and whatever.
What does that leave?
Catnthehat

Carp....

Matt , are you saying I shouldn't dry fire my carp?
Oh, no, What have I done! Can you recommend a good carpsmith to me?
Catnthehat

Bow fishing is a riot when carp are the target of choice.

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308 or 22-250 is the preferred line weight for me.

Nah, 20# test with a 40# recurve for a launcher, regular fishing points.

Someone should ban this moron before someone who doesn't know better takes what they may think is "ultra safe" advice.

For those who don't know better, clearing your rifle by "slip firing" or slowly lowering the hammer / bolt / firing pin is dangerous and on the off chance there is an unobserved round in the chamber, allows the firing pin to rest directly on the primer in some firearms, or have an unimpeded path to it in others. A dropped firearm can then result in an accidental firing if there is a round in the chamber.

"Clearing" a firearm chamber by observation only, then slowly "slip firing" the firearm to slowly release the bolt / hammer / etc., is asking for an accident. Dry firing insures an empty chamber.

Observation of an empty chamber alone is NEVER a satisfactory way to clear a firearm.

Some clear by observation then close the action and engage the safety. Better than slowly lowering a bolt or action, but it gives me the willies to see a firearm cocked with safety engaged in a vehicle / house / tent. Gives the look of a possibly loaded chamber. And safeties are never foolproof. A fired chamber is.

If it is this moron's contention that a dry fire can result in the firing of a firearm in the case of an accidentally loaded chamber, HE'S RIGHT, in a safe direction with a controlled firearm.

An accidentally loaded chamber in a "slip fired" firearm with a slowly lowered hammer / bolt, etc., means injury and death at 3000 fps in an unknown direction when the firearm is dropped.

If you're worried about broken firing pins, buy snap caps.

If you're in a place that there is no safe direction and that cannot tolerate any discharge (like middle floor of an apartment building) and you do not want to clear by this method, leave your action open.

There is never anything unsafe about discharging a firearm in a known safe direction, weather that discharge is a suprise or not.

It's over.

Time to move on.

Sorry for making you endure.

Rick

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He lives for it!