Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Muzzleloaders Cabela's Kodiak Express Double Rifle by Pedersoli

Does anybody have one of these rifles and what are your experiences with it regarding loads, etc? I am intrigued by the idea of throwing a .715 " ball at an Iowa whitetail from a classy looking double rifle. Thanks.

GDV

Just checked on Iowa's regs. re: muzzleloaders. They only allow muzzleloaders that fire single projectiles. Several other states have similar provisions and interpret them to mean that double-barrelled rifles are not permitted during the muzzleloader season or during shotgun seasons in which muzzleloaders are also permitted. Check with Iowa DNR before dropping your hard-earned cash on what otherwise looks like a really nice firearm.

BTW, I was interested in the same thing, for the same reason, several years ago until I learned from Virginia Game & Inland Fisheries that the double rifle was a "no-no" under their regs. However, it seems that VA and IA both have no problem with in-lines that can fire saboted projectiles twice as far as the Pedersoli double, have telescopic sights, and generally look/act much more like cartridge weapons than traditional muzzleloaders. Ahh, government...

That's some good advise from VAnimrod!

Ya cain't use a quality true BP arm for hunting...,,,,But you can stop in Saturday morning and get a "Bubble pack" tradtions at wallymart,and hunt that afternoon,,everything included for 109.99. Want a scope?? 19.99 extra.. "will that be cash or charge sir??

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Doesn't that mean one projectile per shot? If so, that means you can't shoot two patched round balls per shot. It has nothing to do with how many barrels the gun has. Same law goes for the Workers' Paradise of Misery ... one state to the south of Iowa.

Rusty, I am not sure about your state, but most states forbid the use of any multiple shot muzzleloader. Double barrels are verbotten.

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Your point about "long range", modern mzl's is true. You've heard about the Benoit family in the northeast of whitetail hunting fame? Well I know of Iowa's version: two brothers who live in SW Iowa who are whitetail fanatics. They have the area, the know-how-are very skilled hunters. But they are techno-boys when it comes to mzls and have taken deer at 208 yds with their scoped up Knights and these are big deer. I'm not taking away anything from them because they know their game and are my friends but my point is it is no longer too much of a handicap to hunt deer with some of today's smokepoles. It would seem an old fashion smoke pole even one with two chimneys would be ok. I'll have to check further.

Thanks for the responses.

GDV

It's the nature of the beast. If it was legal to hunt with a spear (it is in Alaska!) and there was a buck in it, someone would start trying to "improve" it. Damned Aztls (sp.??? - "spear throwers"!), anyway!

I need a better dictionary. The old Funk and Wagnall's just ain't cutting it, if they don't have that word (or the last three lookups), in it!

http://www.atlatl.biz/ and all up to date!

goodnews,

I'd suspect that IA is just as non-sensical about double-barrel muzzleloaders as most other states, i.e. the are not allowed. In the context of the Pedersoli double, this doesn't make much sense. Then again, if they were to allow doubles, some modernized muzzleloader co. would come out with a double-barrelled, 209-primed, in-line, stainless, synthetic double capable of firing sabots, etc. Kinda defeats the purpose...

Anyway, if you're still looking for an old-fashioned ML that's similar to the $-range as the double, still throws a big ball, and would have probably even seen use in IA "back in the day," check out the Brown Bess (.75 cal) or Indian Trade muskets (.62 cal), also in Cabelas. If percussion is more your thing than a flinter, then the various Civil War repros still toss a big bullet (.58 cal), and are plenty accurate enough.

You might even want to punch up some of the custom or semi-custom makers/purveyors out there. Here's one in your backyard that might fit the bill, and if not, he'll probably refer you on to one that can:

Toad Hall Rifleshop

Good luck, and less us know what you end up gettin'.

VAnimrod--

Thanks for the info. I don't mean to offend any here who disagree with me but my bow hunting is now with traditional equipment as I feel archery took the direction and philsosophy earlier that muzzleloading is taking now toward hi-tech. "Improvements" are in the mind of the beholder or "how I take game is as important to me as the taking of game". This seems to run counter to American culture inferences today that says, "success at almost any cost". And in addition I'm not techno-boy.

Interesting site on the Iowa mzlers. Thanks again.

GDV

Good Post!! and thanks Wiley!

Damned atlatl!! talk about brinig it into perspective,,

Have you guy's heard anything about that new fangled "blood groove" their putting on knives now aday's?? I mean com'on,,What ever happened to a good knapped flint scraper!?? Or a nice sharp Scapula!?? geez,,kid's!

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Really, Missouri does allow about anything that is loaded from the front. The multiple shot thing is to forbid buckshot, not doubles or revolvers (yes, really, as long as it is .44 or larger). The Missouri Conservation Dept is basically run by the hunters and fishermen, and they have regular public meetings around the State where anyone can go bitch or make suggestions or whatever.

I have a peder side by side in 58. the problem i had with the gun was making both barrels have the same point of aim. I tried diffrent round balls diffrent patches minies maxis sabats powders ,i fooled around with it on and off for 3 years. it sits unloader behind my bedroom door now. waiting for next wild idea on how i am going to get it to shoot. I got close once with diffrent grains of powder and bullets down each hole. As for your fish and game if they allow hunting with black powder revolvers, or fowel with black powder shotguns. I wouldn't see a problem.

The 2004 regulations manual, "Missouri Hunting and Trapping Regulations", have nothing regulating multiple barrel muzzleloading rifles. Only multiple shot in a single discharge is prohibited. The manual can be requested from the state conservation boys for free. Keep yer powder dry. Later. RustyZipper