Home Forums Lever Action Central Marlin 336 Lever Actions Question for you .35 Rem handloaders.

While the factory fodder seems a little anemic, i was wondering what kind of velocities you .35 rem handloader folks were getting safely with a 200 grain bullet. I am picking up a .35 Remington this week and i will be handloading it. Probably start with H322 as my powder of choice and go from there.
Is 2200 fps safely doable in the .336 20" barrel?? I am not looking for higher velocites to extend my range, but i am looking for bigger power from 100 to 150 yards as i hunt in the Alberta Rockies where both Grizzlies and black bear pose a threat especially once your game is on the ground. If 2200 fps is a pipe dream maybe i should step up to a .356 Win, 358 win .35 whelan or even a .45-70 or .444 Marlin for that matter.

As for the .45-70, i have never liked the thick forearm and bulky feel of the Guidegun having owned three in years past. I keep buying em and keep getting rid of em. I have now decided the Guidegun isn't for me.

I save the hot-rodding for cars. If I need a bullet to go faster I'll get a different cartridge.

So you consider an extra 200fps hotrodding??? If the 336 action is not up to this i will look buy a .444 Marlin. Never should have sold my Triple 4 to begin with me thinks.

Thank you for the reply. While it being a snide remark, thanks anyway.

A hand plane and / or a belt sander can make that fore end whatever shape that fits you best.
Guess a BFR could also be an option though ?

I guess, if i was to go back to the .45-70 i would buy the .22 inch barreled one. I find the muzzle flip annoying on the Guidegun. Well we will see. The ideal lever for me as i love the 336 would be a 336 in .356 win or 358 win.

I absolutley love the little 336's but they just don't come in a caliber with enough oomph. If i could get a .35 rem 200 grainer humming along at 2100fps safely thats what i would go for.

Here is what I did with my 45-70 GG. I didn't like the feel of the stock so I sent it to Marlin and they put the curved lever and pistol grip stock on it..Now it feels and handles like a 336.

While your pistol gripped Guidegun is absolutley awesome, i wouldn't dare send a rifle in the mail to the states hoping it doesn't get lost. I could buy the parts myself and do it here at home but i shudder to think what the parts would run me when a friggen little firing pin for a 336 goes for 50 bones up here.
The conversion you jsut had Marlin do while very nice, would probably run about 500.00 all said and done.

It would be more feasable to buy a Marlin 1895 22" which is already a pistol grip rifle and just lob of 4" of barrel and cut in a 3/8 doevatail for the sights.

You went about it the opposite way i would have.

That's what I wanted to do was order the parts from Marlin and do it myself but they won't sell you the bottom part of the receiver,some legal thing.... it cost me 220.00 to have them do it all and had it back in two weeks...also my GG is the older ported one, that really helps with the "muzzle flip" you spoke about,but it is LOUD!

But you right if things cost that much up there just buy one and have it cut..

Mossy, all said and done 220.00 bones isn't all that bad!!!
Anyway you you slice it, that is one awesome looking rig you ended up with for sure!!!!

Lever,
How much does a 336 in 35 Rem.cost you up there?

With tax a new 336 in 35 Rem is 666 bones. A used one when found is around 400-450.

2100 FPS? That's easy if you handload your own. I have been running mine between 2100 and 2200 FPS for years. That's only about 35,000 CUP well under the design limits of the 336.

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I do handload. Thats why i started this thread. Mr. Youper replied that this would be hotrodding. What i was looking for was folks that have been there and done that or tried instead of snide remarks like Mr. Youper's. J, if you have been sending 200 grainers down range at 2100-2200fps within 35000 CUP, this is exactly the info i am looking for.

I don't see that anything that Youper said could be considered snide. I think that he was stating the obvious.

That said, anyone can come on here and tell you about their "wonder" loads and what they THINK that the pressures are but ask them on what pressure testing equipment they were tested on?
I think that I know the answer to that question.

Here is a load off ReloadersNest. Note the comment section.
http://www.reloadersnest.com/detail.asp?CaliberID=74&BulletWeight=200&LoadID=10306

If you think that 100-200fps is going to make a vast difference on a game animal, I think you are very mistaken. A very small difference, yes. If you feel the need for more power, you need to go to a more powerful cartridge, but that is restating the obvious. The .35 Remington has done the job, as designed, for many, many years, so I think that you are worrying about something that is not worth worrying about.

That's my opinion, your opinion may vary.

Leverboy- you are obviously not scared to buy and sell guns as your 3 guide guns are proof. My advice is buy the 35rem.and handload some near max loads with your bullet of choice and shoot them over a chrony to see if they are doing what you want.While no long range wonder it should be all right up close on a bear.
35 rem is on my list of to have rifles that is for sure.Good luck and always use caution/common sense while working up a load.

Thank you 257 i appreciate it. After doing some searching on this forum, what i am after doesn't seem to be such a pipe dream afterall. Seems factory .35 Remington is loaded quite anemic as it is. If Buffalo Bore makes a hotter round that is safely used in our 336's then why not??

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...owflat/Number/1101642/page/2#Post1101642

I read that Buffalo Bore has a load that pushes a 220 grain bullet 2300 fps. I came across that when I googled 35 Remington.

"I think that I know the answer to that question."
Are you sure? Anyone can come on here and be a self proclaimed expert, too.

"ask them on what pressure testing equipment they were tested on?"
Would Hodgdon's Powder Co. be good enough at pressure testing to meet your standards?

Mr. XLTFX's post is based opinion, my post is based on facts. Believe what you will.

leverboy,
2200+ fps is doable in 35 Remington if you will just step it down to a Speer 180gr Hot Core bullet, which by the way is more than enough bullet lead to bring down anything it happens to hit considering the way hot cores penetrate. My books shows 40.0 grains of 3031 at 2236 fps,in either remington or Winchester cases with CCI Large Rifle primers as the most accurate load using this combination. Of course everything

leverboy,
I accidentally posted this too long and cut off the last comment which is a warning that all of my data is from the 1970's however I ain't blown myself up yet using it either.
Flower Child
P.S. Some sissy Lawyer is now going to admonish me for making this information available to y'all but I don't think there is any error in it as I use it all the time in my rifles.