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The whole 'em em' thing.....

Odd,I was thinking that you were agog with the 7.62x51mm?

And if you cant find any of the green ammo cans you can de-link the 308 ammo from a dead man and use it.

Or leave it linked and aquire his 240 also.

No 7mm saum for you!

Brad, you and others finally got me to see the 'light' with the short action Montana's. Too bad Kimber dropped the 7WSM.

Dude.....I need a warning before chit like that...(grin)

TFF!

After having had coffee with Bigfoot,having gone on a UFO flight and watching the return of Common Sense to the masses?

I recently fell into an early ADL '06 that has hardly been fired that needs to be a .280 in the worst way...maybe even AI'd...Dug through my stash the other day and found 200 new .280 brass...want to unscrew the 30 tube real bad...

Thats very true and a little funny too, I laughed out loud when I read it.................547.

I hear ya.

I've been privy to more than one occasion in which you have suggested the .308 over the 7mm-08 for those that don't hand-load. I assumed that was due to the availability factor. Seems only fair to point out the variety and mentionable quality of said fodder. That's a qualifier for me even as a hand-loader.

Definitely learned something new concerning my Redding FL bushing sizing die.

I'd be grateful to have a better understanding of your qualitative analysis of the overall difference between first and second fiddle. Like Steelhead, you have made the notion that "killing is easy" almost fashionable. With the quality bullets being made today, can the novice measure and/or realize the advantages of the 7mm projectile over its 30 caliber counterpart?

With all the absolutes that you elude to, I'm inclined to believe that the "platform" is everything (Not to seem as if I'm crawfish'n away from my beloved .308).

I also note that trend with 6.5's over 25's and 27's.
I'll never trend an Amax on big game, though they do seem to have
affect on small game like Sitka's.

Outside of killing paper with a target bullet (amax) how do the all the high BC 7mm hunting bullets fare?

Schitt Stick, you guys grow trees on accident in AK. We don't get that much moisture or daylight in our growing season. However that lends trees with exceptionally dense fiber that make the high dollar specialty plywood thats kept me in a job. Back when I was a Lathe Bitch our average size on Fir we peeled was 13.8" and Larch was 18" even. You couldn't even get a toad that size up our stepfeeder. Most of the schitt we're logging up here has been logged at least twice. Hippies keep us from logging the last of our Old Growth around here. I never was a logger though, I was too smart for that (and the mills pay better.)

Maybe once I run out of the 20K or so 147 MG pulls I have here (and the 32 Lbs of WCC844) I'll try one of those 7-08's. Until then I'll just keep shooting my 308's for 7 cents a reload. I'll be sure and say a prayer before I squeeze the trigger and hope that the 308s far inferior ballistics will maybe kill Deer and Elk.

Besides, if God had wanted Mankind to use the metric system, Jesus would've had 10 Apostles instead of 12.

I like yer hat though... Bet mines older

I'm a long way out of middle school, thus I've left the "my-dad-can-beat-up-your-dad" debates far behind. You go on and keep frothing about a pair of cartridges that are about as close as any two could be. There's just not enough difference for me to get all that worked up.

One more thing. Could you do me a favor? Save the wannabe softcore gay porn shots for folks that want to see that [bleep]. You may be proud of your Southeast Deliverance Episode, but beer spray on my keyboard is a bad thing...

Very true. . . . .

I have made a little luck with this . . .



Seems that Talley/Leupold/McMillan/PacNor can work very well in a Savage (Left handed action) in (gulp?!?!?!) 308.

175 grain MatchKings at 2600 fps might be inferior, but first round hits at 600 yards are still first round hits.

It likes 180 grain partitions at 2600 also.

Gonna wring it out starting April 1 (Spring Bear).

Might work, despite being 0.024" overbore . . . .

BMT

Dan Adair,

It must be very satisfying for you,in that what Alaska offers on accident,soundly trumps everything Montana does on purpose? Novel outlook and your "pride" is well founded.

Now Sliver Pickers in the Mill are making more than Cutters? You came prepared to talk dead square out your ass,didn't you? High dollar "specialty plywood",if that isn't the grandest of oxymorons...especially given the untold clear volume extolled from the limbs you mention. I'd mebbe be inclined to mention in passing,that those who lovingly laced the ground with $50,000+ trees,were likely paid in accords to the skills associated. The saying "money grows on trees",wasn't coined from the Green Chain. Laffin'.

Lauding the satisfactions inherent of gunning someone else culled FMJ milsurp bullets,only frosts the cake. It'd take the muse that 32lbs of powder is a "bunch" to top that.

Oops...I see you are there.


'35,

Berger puts 'em all in orange boxes now,it's like "magic".(grin)


Church,

For someone too dumb to reload,the 223 and 308 are defaults,due mainly to the incredible R&D shifted their direction much of which is attributed to the assorted Accuracy Games. The typical 308 has more latitude there,beings all are twisted 12" as a minimum,which will comfortably handle FGMM/M118LR and the like. Factories are starting to add more twist to the 223's,slowly but surely and my 1-9" Factory LTR punched 223AI does well with the 75A-Max...though 8" remains my favorite(despite having 7's too).

A platform is only as good as it's weakest link and when talking in extrapolations,from say one chambering to another,it's only fair to weigh excellence into the system,so as to preclude a misnomer. In the broad spectrum of things,weighing relative Oooomph and the like,the 7mm bore size shines brightly. It has the diameter to impart will and a BC to keep the petal to the metal. SD is moot,beings it has no bearing upon projectile construction/integrity.

Couple those attributes within a modest vessel(the 7.62x51 parent hull),neck the suck out of it and things really start to shine.



BMT,

The .505BC 175SMK toddling at 2600fps,is akin to gutting a Buck with a broken beer bottle. Now add the .505BC 155 Scenar to the fray and things get sharper.

Neck the suck out of it,insert a .625BC at 2700fps and you've S30V.(grin)

True, but some of us reload are smart enough to reload, and just like the ease presented by the 223 and 308.



True, the 175 SMK is a tad slow, but that don't bother me none, as a kindly Gnome from Nome once'd tutored me in Turrets. . . . This rig don't even got Two-Rhetts. Its a B&C Reticle and the VX-III click adjusters. But, a guy just marks the zero and spins in the "up" direction 15 MOA and hold dead on at 600.

After Spring Bear this glass is going back to Luepie for a set of m-1s.

I hear tell the Hornady is bringing out 175 grain A-Maxs. Might could like those as my 308 is twisted 1 in 10 . . . . . .

I have though about necking the suck out of it and twisting up a 358 win. Might even shoot cup and core boolits . . . .

The 9mm-08 is the way to go (just funnin' ya there).

BMT

The 162 AMax is the 7-08s Trump Card over the 308 for LR. If you look at the 168/180 VLDs from Berger and JLK things get even better.


As to the the 308, 175s at 2600 are about what you get in factory fodder. It's built to run in gas guns without thrashing them.

Realistic handload velocities in the 308 via 22" bbl:

110 VMax - 3340 fps
130 TTSX - 3150 fps
155 Scenar - 2900 fps
168 Nosler - 2800 fps
175 SMK - Never loaded them, but 2750 via RL15/moly should be a very safe bet.
190 SMK - 2650 fps
208 AMax/210 Berger - 2550 fps

In regards to hunting/varmint bullets I can't see any significant advantage of one over the other.

For going long distance, 7-08 has significant advantages in drift, and retained velocity.

The 7mm-08 has advantages if Obama succeeds in outlawing military ammunition, or at least stopping its importation and sale of surplus to civilians.

Whats the BC of the 208 AMAX?