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Mr. Stick,

As much as it pains me to agree with Jeff O,I think he is winning the substance of the arguement.

If you can get it done with a 7mm,you can get it done with a 30 at any given level.

I a real 7mm nut myself,I have 7mm-08s,7x57s,280s,a 280 AI,a 7mm Rem Mag,and 7mm Weatherby on a M700 action.

But at the end of the day,I can get anything any of them will do,done with a 270 or 30 caliber rifle.

Granted that I do not hunt with match bullets and do not shoot at game animals beyond 500 yards. If you throw either of these into the fray,then the bullet with the highest BC and the highest muzzle velocity will have the advantage.

In the real world of hunting animals at less than 500 yards with hunting bullets,most of the differences don't matter.

Wow.. this is a lot of responses.. but I like the .308.(more than the 3006). That being said I have never had a 7mm-08.

Pulling spark plug wires under the hood,do not rate an "advantage". Maximizing a given chambering's efficiency,do reliably bear fruit and that from near to far.

It is a constant that those that shoot the least,most believe everything to be equal.

The trouble with your clown JO,is that he hasn't spilled enough blood with anything to have a clue and that in itself is very hard to do. But it's funny.

I agree that is the easiest thing to have control over, How many animals have you taken to come up with your findings? Have you recorded wound channels, reaction to game after being hit,etc. if so I would love to hear about it and see pics.

I don't believe everything to be equal.

I believe that for practical purposes, a .308 and a 7-08 do the same dang thing, though.

My analogy about the dirt bikes was a good 'un so I'll repeat it.

What you are saying, is akin to saying that a Yamaha dirt bike running one specific type of racing fuel is "better" than a Kawasaki dirt bike running regular- FOR HIGHWAY TOURING!!

In other words, you are postulating a scenario that virtually no one gives a chit about- the performance on 7-08 and .308 on game out past 600 yards- using a bullet nobody wants to use... and then churning yourself into butter over it.

So congratulations Larry! You win. Using the 162-gn Amax, the 7-08 is superior on paper over the .308 at 600 yards. Wow! Gold star for YOU.

...but since this is plain as day, a matter of simple physics, and was conceded from the very beginning (of my involvement anyway)... what you've REALLY won is... nothing.

Because it's still true that for practical hunting purposes, the kinds of things these rounds are used for by 99.999999 percent of us...

There ain't no damn difference. And I'm still waiting for you to tell us why ~75 fps and 100-odd ft/lbs of energy even MATTERS. You've been dodging that one for about 10 pages now.

I just can not believe this is going on 60 pages between the 308 and 7mm-08. Good thing this wasn't a 270/280/30-06 debate, the server would probably go down.

Oh, I'm quite certain that Larry (TryMe) would and will spend 60 pages on some future thread, telling us all how a .280 is soooo much better than a 30-06 at ranges nobody uses them at, anyway, with a bullet nobody uses, anyway.

And how a few fps and ft/lbs are going to matter to the critter.

He's an idiot, but the man has a keyboard, and he knows how to use it. :-) At least if sheer output counts.

I can't believe this schitt is still going on. We're up to a week of Larrys Brainless insults and other verbal abuse bullshitt, on a subject that is lost on all the guys that actually HUNT.

All this becuase Hornady makes ONE bullet in 7mm with a BC over .500. If you ask me, there's a helluva lot of blue sky in Hornadys #s anyhow. That little pill might be .625 BC downhill with a 3000 FPS tailwind. It'd prolly work okay on those dinks the AK boys call Sitkas, but I wouldn't take my chances on 250 Lbs of Mule Deer with one

Larry's point is based on using the cartridge in a way nobody uses it... with a bullet nobody wants to use... all to gain a meaningless margin of "energy" and fps.

For some real amusement, run the numbers for a high-BC .30-caliber bullet from a .308, a 180-gn at 2700 fps. Then run the numbers for Larry's pet bullet. Compare. Laugh your ASS off at what he's making such a stink over! I challenged him to do that and post 'em, but he's too chicken.

The guy, truly, has no clue...

This from a guy averaging 4700 posts a year.......

Touche! grin...

Yeah, seriously.

We go over this every so often with a guy who's NEVER used a 224 on deer, yet KNOWS how much a better killer other paper numbers/calibers are.

If Larry thinks so, great he's used both on game/in the field, I haven't (just the 308), so I don't expound.

Simple, yet not for the simple minded...

Hawk1,

There a a lot of calibers I have not and probably never will shoot a game animal with. However, that doesn't mean I don't know what to expect if I did. An example would be the .338Fed. Since I acquired one I have shot two deer with it. It preformed pretty much like I expected for what I wanted it to do. Never shot a deer with a .270W, but I know what to expect, from groundhogs to elk. Never used a .300Sav., no big deal, I know what it will do and pretty much what I would use it on, what bullets to use for what and the range I would be comfortable using it. Never shot a deer with a .224cal, but have seen what others have done with it and how they did it. Not all that hard to come to solid conclusions if one pays attention to what is going on around. The "have you used it" comments posted by many doesn't mean all that much, at least to me.

Rhetorical question: if anyone other than Big Stick/TryMe/Larry were insisting for 30 frikkin' pages that a few fps, ft/lbs, and inches of trajectory at 600 yards were enough to clearly differentiate one cartridge from another as a practical matter in the hunting fields...

... would the likes of Steelhead, Hawk1, etc be soundly ridiculing them, or lining up to make excuses for them?

Just an idle thought, from a window-licker... grin...

Nobody uses the 162 Amax? I'm surprised Hornady runs them. Maybe you should call and tell them to drop it out of their lineup.

Did you run the numbers, Mac? You should ought to... it's worth a laugh..

Just saying if I were the guy entering a pissing match it would be best if I made it out of my diapers first.

If Larry thinks there is a diff, there are plenty who have used both in field and paper to argue with him, even if its silly, and I have a hunch its moot, I'd stay out of it. I'd just be guessing .

battue,
I see your point, but I don't see you in the middle of debates that you don't at least have at least eyewitness account and some experience on.

Someone is correct: Here is a guy always with a keyboard in the middle of these debates, and for the last two years it wasn't Larry?

308 v. 7-08, Personally, I could give at rats azz and would shoot stuff with either, maybe even with some cast loads.....

If facts are facts, the 7-08 will outperform a 308. 7mm bullets cut air better than 300 bullets do. Would an animal notice? Probably not. If you are running a race, which now seems to be the case, the 308 will finish second. It does not matter by how much, or how little, second isn't first.

R.

Hawk1, I have shot a LOT of both 7mm-08 and .308.

Besides, I agree with TryMe that within the parameters that he has defined as important, the 7-08 "wins".

It's just that they are stoopid parameters.