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Mind telling us how you're getting 2600 pfs with a 208 AMax out of a .308? Just pulling a random number out of your a$$ to make the comparison look good or have you actually gotten that velocity out of one of your rifles?
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MontanaMarine is getting 2550 from a 20.5" tube. Run a 22" or longer barrel, and/or moly it up as per Banned Stick, and viola.
FWIW, neither of my 7-08's would TOUCH 2700 fps with a 162-gn bullet (Banned Stick's load). Not even close. So...
The CENTER will hold.
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FÜCK PUTIN!
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... the numbers I posted are giving you guys fits, huh?
TFF.
I'll step out and let ya'll, and the silent majority reading this, digest the information. You guys, keep calling names as you see fit.
Have a good one, one and all!
The CENTER will hold.
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FÜCK PUTIN!
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FWIW, neither of my 7-08's would TOUCH 2700 fps with a 162-gn bullet (Banned Stick's load). Not even close. So...
Have you looked at the difference in elevation and atmosphere? I see 2700 fps as obtainable.
Despite my user name, no I am not from Texas.........
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Those are numbers you are pulling out of your ass with zero personal experience to back it up. But that's what you do. Talk about things you have zero experience with. That's why you are a joke, and will continue to be a joke around here.
Still waiting for those 308/208AMAX pics..
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MM's was getting those numbers when his barrel was 22'', using moly, and his loads were 3'' and wouldn't fit in a mag box. Even then, he didn't hit 2600fps. MM's .308 208 loads Did more load development today. Got velocity up to 2560 fps. Here's the meat and potatoes,
Moly'd 208 AMax
Win brass
W760
50.0gr
2560 fps
22" barrel
OAL 3.002"
That OAL gives a .002" crush on chambering, the throat is longer than I previously thought.
Keeping it to 2.9'' OAL(which still won't feed through most rifles), his loads were in the 2400 range with moly.
Rifle:
factory 700 VS cut to 22"
1/12 twist
deep throat
Load:
Win brass (58.0gr wetcap)
208 AMax, moly'd
CCI 200 primer
2.90" OAL (kissing lands)
These 208s might not be worth a [bleep] in a 1/12 bbl, but I gotta know.
Two shots each over chrony. velocity at 15' from muzzle:
RL15
44.5gr - 2474, 2474
45.0gr - 2481, 2483
QL indicates this velocity corresponds to pressure at 60-61K lbs-psi.
You're grasping at straws with something you've never done, citing numbers that can't safetly be gotten in rounds that will feed through a short action.
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Jds44,
Didn't you know that Jeff O has a .308win built on a Long Action!?
I was really hoping that Jeff O would go out and buy some 208 AMAX's to figure out how stupid he really was...
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In JO's world, anything is possilble. All he has to do is type it out on his keyboard to make it real.
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Anybody remember a quote about fooling fans?  And how much harder it is to fool a player... Jeff You should have quite while you were behind... art
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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And another quote about making nooses out of lifelines and inserting one's noggin fits too....
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Finding yourself, digging a hole deeper and deeper ----STOP DIGGING...
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Anybody remember a quote about fooling fans? And how much harder it is to fool a player... One of my .308's with a 22'' barrel is only in the 2600fps range with a 165 Interlock and a book max charge. If you tried to run a 208 to 2600 in that rifle, you'd blow it from hell to breakfast. Course my Field & Stream subscription expired, so what do I know?
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82 pages? Does anybody actually care?
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And to that, Jeff throws out the 208gr A-max. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Ah, Macbeth. I haven't read that since high school. I'm not a big Shakespeare fan; but, Macbeth is worth the read. While the Macbeth reference has merit, I was thinking more along the lines of Don Quixote.
laissez les bons temps rouler
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MontanaMarine is getting 2550 from a 20.5" tube. Run a 22" or longer barrel, and/or moly it up as per Banned Stick, and viola.
FWIW, neither of my 7-08's would TOUCH 2700 fps with a 162-gn bullet (Banned Stick's load). Not even close. So... My last go with the 162 Amax, that no one shoots, was an average of 2660 fps via 40gr R15/Fed210 with zero pressure signs. I have no doubt I can safely clip 2700.
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I Burn While I See
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Anybody remember a quote about fooling fans? And how much harder it is to fool a player... One of my .308's with a 22'' barrel is only in the 2600fps range with a 165 Interlock and a book max charge. If you tried to run a 208 to 2600 in that rifle, you'd blow it from hell to breakfast. Course my Field & Stream subscription expired, so what do I know? You don't know shiite jd cuz you need an Outdoor Life subscription to be learned up.....grin
"I Birn Quhil I Se" MacLeod of Lewis
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I can only get about 2650-2700 out of my 308(22" tube) with a 165gr partition and RL15(IIRC, 45.0 grains)
I suppose I could push it a little harder than that, but I still don't think I could get much beyond 2700fps(safely.)
"For joy of knowing what may not be known we take the golden road to Samarkand."
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Anyone here ever a have a kid stick his fingers in his ears and yell LALALALA at you?
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Anyone here ever a have a kid stick his fingers in his ears and yell LALALALA at you? Do you mean other than right now? ... (grin)
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82 pages? Does anybody actually care? Change your prefences to show more posts per page. I'm only up to 21 pages.  To answer your question - not really. But some of us are stuck in front of a PC all day anyway, so kicking JO's a$$ is a pleasurable distraction from reality. Besides, there's nothing to kill right now but them overgrown chickens.
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