Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Wolves Slaughter 19 sheep in Oregon Bloodbath

After the rut, the big trophy bucks & bulls that we pursue as hunters ARE the weak.
Deep snow makes for easy pickings of all ages & sizes.
Wolves hunting in a pack are the most efficient killers in North America.
Fortunatley a few places allow for sensible control, an uphill battle with the "Animal Planet Biologists" here in the lower 48.
A friend of mine does his part every year.

No argument there.

What in Sam Hill are you talking about? What exactly do you think I feel about wolves that needs changing?

lol, bad speller me iz. Fisher Wikiped

They take the sick, the old and the UNLUCKY! The old theory you espouse is just krap and no serious wildlife biologist would suggest it. Get over it.

Yeah, I'll just toss it aside along with the law of gravity and elliptical orbits.

When you're wrong, you're wrong. You never seem to get that.

But don't believe me. Call Professor Decker at Colorado State University.

Would you mind formulating a cogent sentence that you believe summarizes my position on this question. I'm curious what you think you're arguing against. It simply cannot be what it appears.

Welcome to the jungle baby...finally other states are beginning to get the idea besides Idaho and Wyoming. There is no managing wolves. As wintering deer, elk, moose are pushed by wolves into inhabitable areas, starvation takes over and weakens more than just a few. With less wild habitat and forage areas today than 100 years ago, these animals don't have a chance. And do we simply close off domestic grazing areas when wolves move in? kinda like expecting mobsters to stay in New York and Chicago.
After awhile it just gets silly, all the talk about managing wolves in the lower 48.

you guys are arguing past each other......Hawkeye didn't say or imply what some seem to have drawn from his post. Of course, all things being equal, the slower and weaker target usually gets picked off first, since they're the first ones to get caught...that's all he said.

He didn't say they don't kill for the thrill of it, or that they never kill healthy animals, or that they don't kill more than they can eat, or that they ought to be cuddled and loved and protected.

in fact, if somebody would offer, I'm relatively sure ol' Hawkeye would be happy to come SS&S with you. I would, but I'd rather whack one in AK so I could keep the hide.

Tan your own. I won't tell.

It seems clear to me that the wolves did not kill the sheep. The sheep committed suicide by hurling themselves against the wolve's teeth. It happens sometimes, especially in herd animals.
Actualy, when Colombus landed in this hemisphere, the coyote was quite limited in territory to the SW US and NW Mexico. It was only after eradication of the wolf, which had killed coyotes at every opportunity, that coyote populations expanded so that today they are all over the US and even into Canada.
I like wolves, they are fascinating animals. But I believe they should be restricted to the, increasingly many, "wilderness areas" and that wolves which depredate on livestock, especially near people's houses, should be killed. True, wolves don't USUALLY kill people, and USUALLY don't attack livestock. Have they EVER attacked livestock or killed people? Most certainly. The imposibility of pinpointing in advance which ones will do so makes it reasonable to strictly control the entire population. Wolf control is best, and cheapest to taxpayers, done by hunters and trappers. Just my thoughts.

19 dead sheep in Oregon?

JeffO must be pissed....

he'll find a new girlfriend

ewe are baaaaaad

Umm.. seems to me that the statement above is blatantly false. They ONLY kill the sick and old.. nope. Wrong. Admit it and move on.

Not false, just not formulated in anticipation of being picked apart by hyper critics looking for something to disagree with. For it to be a perfect statement, I should have substituted weak or least fit for sick and old, but for the most part the above statement is true, and only someone looking for an argument would find fault with it.

I personally believe that everyone of those [bleep] sons of bitches found outside of the park should have the exact rights as the coyotes.

[bleep] 'em!

This is where you started. Now you're at "easiest meal."
Frequently the easiest meal is a prime, healthy critter that happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. The "sick and old" only is a myth. A few wolves are capable of taking down any ungulate in North America and do so on a regular basis.

I'm not anti-wolf per se, but the truth is the truth. Wolves and grizzly bears don't mix well in many places - sad but true.