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JeffDilldO,

Everything you wish,has been cited in black & white. Your gross ineptitude precludes any particulars actually ringing a bell to you,because you've no bells to ring. Though I didn't cite the TiN bushing size,it is of course easily extrapolated via the constriction designator cited and some firsthand accounting with an empty hull. That'd be two more hurdles you'll never be able to cross...though that too is somehow poignant.

COAL was mentioned with frequency and your backtracking inability has more than a little to do with your penchant to dine on Tag Stew.

You are an amazingly colossal compilation of sheer stupidity.

...besides, Shane (MontanaMarine) is a very nice guy, with no axe to grind here, and he posted the specifics of his load for everyone to see. Anyone with a .308 can verify it as they wish.

TryMe is an arrogant know it all, who always has to be right, and who has a HUGE axe to grind in this one, but is dodging the question.

I would like to verify Larry's load in my 22" 7mm-08. Doesn't seem like too much to ask.

The more TryMe dodges this one, the more it starts to seem like we've found the REAL "Imaginary Load". But, I am holding off on making that call. All TryMe has to do is provide the specs, and I've got debit card in hand to get some 162's headed my way. Already got the RL15.

You'll shoot your eye out!

So I missed your COAL spec. I tried to go back and find it, and what I found was:

"22" tube,Re-15,moly 162's at 2700fps on the nose.

The usual."

So, do a guy a favor. Hit me with the COAL and powder charge. Please.

Methinks you'll never get an answer, give it up dude.

I'm probably going to regret this, but the way I'd go at it is to moly up some 162s, seat them to just kiss the lands at whatever length that turns out to be in my rifle, get out my five pounder of '15 and chrono and starting a bit low keep adding fuel (while watching for bad signs) until 2700 is reached by my rifle.

Your rifle, his rifle and my rifle may require different tweaks of the parts of the recipe to cook up the same dish.

I'm going for my flame proof suit now.

you hit the nail on the head

I'm thinking if a guy can't figure that for himself, maybe he oughta just leave said rifle under the bed...

Sure.

I'd like Larry's load for several reasons.

-I'm starting to suspect it's way over book max;

-I'm starting to suspect his COAL won't fit a stock M700 mag box (around 2.86", give or take)

-I'm starting to suspect that his load is, at BEST, a "fast barrel" load as quoted and as such, is invalid to make the kind of ballistic gack noise he's made about it.

Hell, if we're gonna pimp what ONE RIFLE will do... I got a 30-06 to tell you about <g>.

Again, Larry, please do as MontanaMarine did and provide specifics. A failure to do so will be taken as an admission of guilt, as they say. Providing them has no downside- I just wanna try your load, dude- unless, of course, the specifics are embarrasing, or the dog won't hunt as advertised...

Waiting... Chuckling...

C'mon, TryMe. This thread has a biiiig audience, and what I'm asking you for is perfectly reasonable. Even your synchopants are getting a little antsy.

Cough it up!

No big trick to getting 160's going that speed in a 7x57. Can't imagine it's too hard in the modern version.


Travis

seat the boolits out as far as the mag will allow and work the load up. your going to have to start a couple of gr lower than what larrys load would be regardless.

ColdBore, That's still an apples to oranges comparison. You compare the heaviest bullet loaded in 7-08 by remington (140gr) to a middle weight bullet for the .308 (150gr).

I'll give you credit in that you've shown fairly conclusively that for the 140-150gr. range bullets that the 7-08 is more efficient at longer ranges.

Obviously the heavy for caliber 7-08 is going to carry energy further than the lighter for caliber .308. However, if you pick a heavy for caliber bullet in .308 (180gr.) and compare it to a heavy for caliber bullet in 7-08 it paints a somewhat different picture. In this case .308 beats 7-08 at every range quite handily. It'll also belt your shoulder quite handily too.

Energy (ft-lbs)
Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
Remington� Express� 180 PSP CL 2743 2288 1896 1557 1269 1028
Remington� Express� 140 PSP CL 2542 2142 1793 1490 1228 1005

Cartridge Information
Index Number Cartridge Type Weight (grs.) Bullet Style Primer No. Ballistic Coefficient
R308W3 Remington� Express� 180 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt� 9 1/2 0.383
R7M081 Remington� Express� 140 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt� 9 1/2 0.390

Notice that the ballistic Coefficients are very close 0.383 in .308 and 0.390 in 7-08. This number is what determines how fast a given caliber will shed velocity and energy as it travels down range.

The 7-08 is more powerful than the .308 at 100 yards and beyond in the 140-150gr. range. However, For a given load of similar ballistic coefficient, the .308 is more powerful out to 500 yards than the 7-08, but the difference is negligible after 300 yards. I'm not even touching the difference in momentum between the two cartridges...

It is an oft mused common misconception,that VLD-esque profiles require a longer throat to nestle mag confines,which is 180 degrees a wrong turn.

The 162A-Max in particular,has a rather svelte bearing surface for it's total length and it's ogive location isn't zooky in compare to more pedestrian offerings. Them is good things,regarding both speed and accuracy.

Assuming a SAAMI throat in a Remmie,Kimber,Sako or the like...your kiss will exceed mag constraints,though being well shy of a pole vault(that dimension were cited,for DilldO). Winny don't do bad,with their longer box and Ruger is typically right there.

Twenty-seven Hund-O is a breeze in a 22".

I know how to work up a load. Hint to the watchers: the 162 Amaz is a very long bullet.

TryMe's silence is what is most interesting, here. 67 pages of bile and BS, mostly based on ONE LOAD, and the principle now won't provide specifics for someone wanting to give it a run.

The term "imaginary load" is creeping into my mind. Just can't help it. VERY easy for the gent in question to put a stop to it, though, is it not?

POST the specifics of you (imaginary) load, Larry!!!

'2bad,

ColdBore bitched out with hurt feelings,due to increased Estrogen levels. That'd be par.

For conversation and at sealevel,the 7-08/162/2700fps melding,retains your cited 308/180gr's 500yd 1028ftlb "energy" quotient to the 770yd line,in a worst case scenario(sea level).

Obviously,there's lotsa things in which you should refrain discussion.

Hint.

Your are still dodging, TryMe, but the gem of your post (if I'm deciphering your mangled English correctly) is that your load exceeds the mag length of a M700.

Wouldn't you know it, that's exactly what you all pounded on the load I provided for doing!

Will wonders never cease.

So TryMe, just how far over 2.85 IS your load?

And how far over book max is the powder charge?

"Larry's Imaginary Load". It has a certain ring to it.

.308 hangs right with, or EXCEEDS the 7-08 and I've proved it. But feel free to keep digging, TryMe.

JeffDilldO,

The "very long" .284" 162Max is 1.420" long. For conversation,the .308" 180NBT is 1.345". That's a "whopping" .075",which is hardly profound,as per COAL constraints,especially given ogive location.(hint)

Your comfort in talking out your azz,is fairly impressive.

JeffDilldO,

Mag feeding 162's via issued 700 metal,was mentioned several times. Perhaps too plainly for your comprehension.

Would love to spin you in a circle and hand you a map,you brainless dimwhitted douche.

If JO, "El Conquistador" of internet debate, failed to achieve success in his own 7-08 it would hardly reflect poorly on someone else's abilities, only on his own limitations.

Hope he remembers to don his sheetmetal glove before touching one off!