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I would say no and would prefer a return to the older Republican party. The one that wasn't so centered on religion, was actually conservative, and had leaders and not talking heads. I hear that but it seems social conservatives have become such a big part of the GOP, they've sown their own bed. Who knows, maybe Jindhal will get the party back on track, although he's not a very inspiring leader. Social conservatives belong in the conservative movement, so long as they are guided by traditional constitutionalism/federalism, i.e., they may pursue their goals in the form of resisting the efforts on the left to use the machinery of government and the courts (particularly at the Federal level) to transform our nation into their image, i.e., to resist the war that's actively being waged against traditional American values and the Christian tradition in particular. That, in fact, is the only battle needed on the culturally conservative front, and most cultural conservatives are already fully aware of it. They do not seek to impose any sort of theocracy on America, as the left accuses. That would not be conservative at all. That would be radical, since America has never been any sort of theocracy. These folks are not radicals. What you are fearing is a figment of the left's imagination.
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The Republican party will never be what conservatives want it to be.
Someday in the distant future, after the Democrats lay enough rotten eggs for people again to be disgruntled with them, the Republican party *may* regroup enough to get back into power.
,..but after they do, they'll turn their backs on the people who elected them and start up with the same old nonsense that they always do.
Washington D.C. is actually one big party,...and you'll never be invited as long as it's being thrown by either the Democrats or Republicans. There's a lot of truth in that, I'm afraid.
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Thanks. You posted that to me once before, and I took the time to go through and, for each "principle," demonstrate either that some person or group widely accepted as conservative violated it, or that some person or group widely accepted as non-conservative subscribed to it. If I remember correctly, I also argued that there were several unavoidable internal conflicts and logical inconsistencies between the "principles."
Anyway, I don't have the time to do that again, and I can't immediately find my other response to it, so for the time being I'll just thank you for posting it again, register my continued disagreement with it, and head off to my appointment.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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Thanks. You posted that to me once before, and I took the time to go through and, for each "principle," demonstrate either that some person or group widely accepted as conservative violated it, or that some person or group widely accepted as non-conservative subscribed to it. If I remember correctly, I also argued that there were several unavoidable internal conflicts and logical inconsistencies between the "principles." I recall your efforts in that direction.
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"I am a Constitutionalist, but I voted for Ron Paul. That makes me a terrorist, even though the MSM is courting him now, as he was right throughout the last election, when they blacklisted him from getting any coverage. They aren't laughing now.
Flame away."
I'm amazed at how the media blacklisted him and fawned over dingleBarry. Absolutely shameless. They don't even care how blatent and obvious their bias is, nor how many people notice and comment in public.
When the liberals, fully supported by the media, put up their most rabidly left winged, out of touch with reality, freedom hating and America hating communist why didn't the repubs answer with their most conservative? If they'd have just shown some balls I think they'd have had a real race on their hands and some definite lines could have been drawn in the sand for future elections and future generations. The media would have HAD to keep RP center stage and the conservative message would have gotten out there... the REAL one, that is. As it was all we got was propaganda from the left and silence (for the most part)from the right. Propping up McCain turned out to be the most McMickey Mouse effort I think I've ever witnessed. So much so I suspect some sort of behind the scenes agreement was struck before hand which serves as pretty good proof that both parties are bound and determined to destroy this nation, don't give a damn about the people, and want to sweep under the rug all proofs of what this country is supposed to be and once was.
In short, I suspect they were in cohorts with this one.
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BAN THE RAINBOW FLAG!
PERVERTS OFFEND ME!
"When is penguin season, daddy? I wanna go kill a penguin!"
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ps.
Another thing.
If RP is so far out there he's not even worth listening to why blacklist him? Seems much better to let him speak, let evereyone hear what he has to say, and let him prove himself a whackjob through and through right in front of God and everybody. Trying to keep the curtain closed on him only makes people suspicious of government's true intentions and angry with media's unfair practices. I believe both the dems and repubs (all of government) are scared to DEATH of real conservatives. So much so they'll label us anything up to and including armed terrorists looking for a fight and will, sometime in the future, attempt to have us silenced and even eliminated.
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BAN THE RAINBOW FLAG!
PERVERTS OFFEND ME!
"When is penguin season, daddy? I wanna go kill a penguin!"
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"I am a Constitutionalist, but I voted for Ron Paul. That makes me a terrorist, even though the MSM is courting him now, as he was right throughout the last election, when they blacklisted him from getting any coverage. They aren't laughing now.
Flame away."
I'm amazed at how the media blacklisted him and fawned over dingleBarry. Absolutely shameless. They don't even care how blatent and obvious their bias is, nor how many people notice and comment in public.
When the liberals, fully supported by the media, put up their most rabidly left winged, out of touch with reality, freedom hating and America hating communist why didn't the repubs answer with their most conservative? If they'd have just shown some balls I think they'd have had a real race on their hands and some definite lines could have been drawn in the sand for future elections and future generations. The media would have HAD to keep RP center stage and the conservative message would have gotten out there... the REAL one, that is. As it was all we got was propaganda from the left and silence (for the most part)from the right. Propping up McCain turned out to be the most McMickey Mouse effort I think I've ever witnessed. So much so I suspect some sort of behind the scenes agreement was struck before hand which serves as pretty good proof that both parties are bound and determined to destroy this nation, don't give a damn about the people, and want to sweep under the rug all proofs of what this country is supposed to be and once was.
In short, I suspect they were in cohorts with this one.
. Lots of people feel this way. If they wanted to lose, they could hardly have done better than push McCain on us. PS And what screwed up thinking resulted in Republican primaries being open to non-registered Republicans. Correcting this insanity needs to be at the top of our priority list.
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If that insanity is corrected (yes, I agree that's what it is) wouldn't ACORN and others just help people register repub until after the primary and then change back for the election? Them yahoos will always come up with a "backdoor" to stick their noses (and other things) into. Especially when they know they'll be rewarded with 5 billion dollars and authority over the US census in return.
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BAN THE RAINBOW FLAG!
PERVERTS OFFEND ME!
"When is penguin season, daddy? I wanna go kill a penguin!"
---- 4 yr old Archerhuntress
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Too many people buy stuff they don't want, with money they don't have, to impress people they don't like!
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If that insanity is corrected (yes, I agree that's what it is) wouldn't ACORN and others just help people register repub until after the primary and then change back for the election? Them yahoos will always come up with a "backdoor" to stick their noses (and other things) into. Especially when they know they'll be rewarded with 5 billion dollars and authority over the US census in return. Not if you require proof of being a registered republican for more than two years.
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No, I will be a Republican until i die
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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no, and fragmenting the conservative vote is the only thing that would let the socialists stay in power Absolutely correct...........we'd better all hang together or we'll all hang separately, for sure. MM
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No, I will be a Republican until i die That reminds me of a lot of Democrats who share nothing in common with the ideals espoused by the Dem Party, but remain loyal because their family opposed Abe Lincoln in 1860.
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My father was a Republican and my Mother was Democrat and i choose my party long ago and will stay with it . I don't believe in the Democrat party and their views for America . There goals have always been more government power over the people, more taxes, total gun control and more Welfare for the lazy so they can get their votes . Over all i have nothing in common with the Democrat Party.
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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my parents were always repubs while I was growing up. By the time I got to highschool they were obviously in the minarchist camp and leaned more and more towards libertarianism, especially the more I talked to them about it (and as repubs depart more and more from conservative ideals). Mom still votes repub because she believes it's the only chance to slow the "change" towards slavery but dad has been libertarian party for the last couple-3 elections. Both, however, are rapidly approaching an agreement with me that we'd all probably be better off with no government at all. Nothing but a bunch of liars, the lot of them, who mean not only to do us harm but to control every aspect of our existance. Mom even told me a few weeks ago how amazed she's been since dingleBarry's rise to power that all the [bleep] I've been predicting since I was 16 or 17 is really coming to pass just as I said it would. Team dingleBarry will push them both over the edge. I can see it coming already. They'll be fully fledged anarchists by 2012.  but I digress... we'll all probably be voting repub no matter how distasteful it may become. Just an effort to slow the destruction. We'll hope and pray things get better but it seems not much else is left... lesser of 2 evils sucks big time!
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BAN THE RAINBOW FLAG!
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"When is penguin season, daddy? I wanna go kill a penguin!"
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No, I will be a Republican until i die That reminds me of a lot of Democrats who share nothing in common with the ideals espoused by the Dem Party, but remain loyal because their family opposed Abe Lincoln in 1860. And in Iowa Lincoln was not an issue but they remain Democrat for the agricultural subsidies and give away programs in the rural areas and to impose heinous social engineering in the cities.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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But maybe God in his omnipotent providence has so willed it that we suffer under despots for a season to chasten us for our manifold sins.
Which god?
Be the person your dog thinks you are.
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But maybe God in his omnipotent providence has so willed it that we suffer under despots for a season to chasten us for our manifold sins.
Which god? There is only one.
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Anyone and I mean ANYONE, not either a Republican or a Democrat in my book is better than what we have. MOST of the Republicans (including the quasi liberal/conservative John McCain)are just as crooked and corrupt as their Democratic counterparts. ANY new faces that are not career politicians and actually have the best interest of this country at heart and give a hoot about how we leave it to our children has got to be an improvement. all of these people are in somebody's pocket. they all voted to bailout AIG who just happens to administer the congressional pension fund. COME ON PEOPLE-WAKE UP!!!! if we continue to vote for the status quo time and time again, nothing is going to change. this is an all out assault on the middle class of America. the crazy thing is they still don't get the fact that without us they have no one left who can afford to buy any of their crap! i wonder how many Chevy Malibu's or pickup trucks Trump or Gates or the Buffets of the world can buy.
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