Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Your thoughts about 7X64 mm Brenneke from a NA perspective

Thanks for the explanation, patagoniahunter.

My group was larger than half a yard at 50 yards.

Was about sure not to be so bad so I asked the gunsmith to try himself so he would have believed it, and he had the same results.

About French gunmakers, you should ask Marseille or post a question in the European section.

I've worked in the North Sea oil patch for 3 decades, predominantly in Norway and Scotland. My "European rifle" is a Sako 691 in 7x64 I bought in Norway. It initially had a Zeiss 2.5-10 that was an unmitigated POS and now wears an S&B 6x42. I make no secret of being a total 7mm slut and this is a good one. The ballistic (and darn near case) twin of the .280 Remington dating back to I believe 1917. If this one had crossed the pond and caught on the .270 Winchester wouldn't have stood a chance! It's funny how much I read over here about the 6.5x55's use on Moose in Scandinavia, and it is popular, but I see lots more of the "serious" hunters over there, the guys who "live it" and go abroad such as to Africa, with the 7x64.

Having only small flats in Aberdeen, Oslo and Stavanger, thus limited to factory loads, I've used the factory Norma Oryx 156 at a stately 2750ish on moose, red and roe to excellent results over the years, but switched to the Norma 140 accubond at 2950ish some time back just cuz I've seen such excellent results in the 7 rem mag with 140s through the years. Since the switch have used it only in the UK, so no moose, but am thrilled on roe, red and muntjac...

Lee,

I used my handloads with RWS 7x64 cases and converted .280 Remington. I loaded them with R22 and IMR7828.
I loaded the longest the magazine of the Mannlicher-Shoenauer permited, about the same in a M98 Mauser. But even then, the distance of the groove diameter of the Core Lokt to the lands were too long, about 5 mm or more ! Perhaps this was not the reason. Who knows. But that M-Shoen. rifle was extremely accurate with RWS factory loads and handloads with 160 and 175 Speer Mag Tip, bullets constructed just the opposite of the Core Lokts: short bullets for the weight and the groove diameter closer to the tip. May be with a Rem 700 long action or one of a similar lenght, it can be loaded longer to match the long throat. But with the same bullets lot, I get very good accuracy, as I said, with the 7x57 in a standard M98 action and an overall cartridge lenght of 82 or 83 mm.This way, the jump to the lands is 1,5 mm in my rifle.

Regards,

PH

Thank you grand_veneur.
PH

Swapping bbbls. on a Sauer 202 takes about 5' : take off the forend, open rifle bolt, loosen 2 bolts to free and take out bbl. 1, insert bbl. 2, close rifle bolt, tighten the 2 retaining bolts, put back the forend, and voil�. All in all, a little longer than bbl. swapping with a Blaser R93. However and contrary to the latter, the receiver mounted scope (bbl. mounted on a Blaser) will have to be re-zeroed.

here's another switch barrel rifle.
it's a mauser model 66 in 7x64. it really likes 139 gr. btsp's over 55.5 grains of imr4350.

i have some factory 160 gr. npt's in federal clothes and some 160 speer gs's, but it likes neither.

Andr�, What's your load ?

Very nice rifle, and amazing mechanism. What do you think about that "telescopic" bolt ?

7x64 : 160 Sierra GK /N 160 / 56.0


.30-06 : 165 Sierra GK /N 160 / 60.5

Here's the Mauser 66S in 7x64 I located a few years ago for my son-in-law.

Apart from the silk smooth action, the telescoping bolt makes for a very short rifle even with a 26" bbl. ; same as with the Blaser R93 which is inspired by the former. The only problem with the Mauser 66 is that it came out too early ahead of its time and was quite expensive.

Thanks.

For brown bear, walrus,and bison, I'd want a 375H&H; for everything else,a 7x64 would be fine,like a 270, 280,7RM 30/06.So the cartridge is in good company.

But reports that it is so good, it would have supplanted the 270 if it made its' way over here, are humerous.It has had over 80 years to do so,and cannot come close from a popularity perspective.

What one will do, the other will do.There is no magic in .007 inch of bore diameter.

Lee,

If you have a picture of that 22F I would like to see it.
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The 7-64 would have left no room for a 270 Win or a 280 Rem for that matter if some world war had not been started by Germany and been going on when the cartridge came out.

Here is a quick snapshot of my BRNO 7x64.

Those are sweet rifles.

Do the mounts have to be so high?

These mounts are about 1/2 inch higher than normal, because they have a hole through the mount so you can use the iron sights with the scope still on. Other ones are various heights for 1-inch and 30mm scopes with various sized objective ends, just like the rings here are.

They are the well refined German version of the Ironsighters,work very well...Most Brno's require high rings because of the high bolt lift.Cool gun1......rifle

Inexpensive way to get a 7x64:

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Bruce

I was ready to object to your statement however upon looking at the Brno 21h and 22f's that I have it seems as if my bolt handles may have been modified. However its possible that some later model had a bolt handle that would clear scopes easier.

Here is one and its not the same as others I see. Perhaps it has been modified?



Here are some other Brono's that may not be modified.

Brono's that may not have been modified?

The handle on the top picture now clears a very low scope. I don't think that the handle is weakened in any way. I like it so modified.

Perhaps Ray Atkinson will give his opinion.

Your handle has been modified. They made two different handles for the BRNO 21H type rifles. One was the spoon handle like pictured on Lee24's rifle. It has a long root and no inletting in the stock for the handle. The other was a very rare model that came from the factory with a ZG-47 trigger, bolt handle and safety. It's assumed by most that these were the end of the line guns of the 21-22 H/F production runs.

Terry

Hey Savage, I thought I had a picture of it. This is the other factory BRNO 21H handle. This rifle belongs to the very BRNO knowledgeable fla3006 over on AR.

Terry


BTW, I had to run spell check for: knowledgeable