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So true Bob. I believe I've told this story before (sorry), but it involved a "crack shot" hunter from Houston that I helped guide for big sandhills muleys in TX. He showed up with a 30-378 Weatherby and a box of bullets. The short version is he shot close to all of his bullets, 17 shots or so over a 3 day period at deer from 60-350 yards, all complete misses. To say he flinched would be an understatement. My nephew (14 at the time)wound up killing one of those 160" bucks with his 7-08 and 140 gr Remy green box core-lokts at 200yards, stone cold dead. The rancher made the guy leave the premises, feeling he was a hazard to have around. So much for the crack shot from Houston.
Even though I personally shoot a 7mag, mainly because I'm very confident with it, I feel the 7-08 with a good bullet is the perfect deer killing machine....any deer, anywhere in North America.
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The big question is...have you shot and little deer with dat tree huntret? I know you have some pics somewhere. Most of the silly deer I shoot, seem to die with the 30-06, .308, or .257 Roberts. Silly me. A true treehundred pounder, I'd love the chance to shoot one. Closest so far is 227# dressed.
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well, yeah I have. cause all my deers are little compared to a tree hunnerd pownder.
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I've only seen one bona fide 300 pounder ( and I didn't get to see him through MY scope) but my partner shot him a number of years ago...hangin' weight,no hide, guts, head, at 3 Forks that day was #239 The rifle? A .22-250.... Ingwe
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A few years back I was in Walter Craigs (it has since closed) in Selma Alabama. It was late January. Mounted in one of those gun benches was a brand new 30-378 Accumark . The sales clerk was attaching a Swaro 30mm scope to it. The new owner was going to try it out on some 300# bama deer feeding in a greenfield that belong to one those Blackbelt lodges. I felt inadequate with my puny 7 WSM that I owned at the time. Magnumitis is quite a sickness.
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The only animal I've ever taken over 300 lbs was a Caribou up in Alaska. One shot with a 30-06 put it on the ground.
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Funny...the 30-06 seems to have that quality about it. Not sexy or swanky, but at closing time, she gets the job done.
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The 300+ buck I shot in Sask I used a .308 Win with a 165 gr Bearclaw from a Federal High Energy factory load. Jim Shockey used to tell clients to bring a .300 mag, but his website now says:
"Our bucks are huge-bodied, upward of 300 pounds, so I suggest rifles of .270 Win. and up. Any of the magnums are excellent choices."
Jim said he was hosting about 225 hunters a year in his SK operation when I last talked to him, so that is a lot of opportunity to observe what works for clients. Obviously, a .300 mag is not needed for these deer, but I think some folks feel better if they use one.
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tzone: I don't remember the formula, but if you killed one that dressed 227,that's pretty close to a 300 pound deer, on the hoof....and when I say 300 pounds, I mean on the hoof.... northern dave: If you live in the northern tier states like Minn, Wisc,the Dakota's, Montana, they live there. We have them here in NH and Maine,New Brunswick etc. I know they exist in a lot of places, but getting a crack at one is not easy.... JG: I am not man enough to even consider a 30-378. That cartridge seperates the men from the boys.....the men go home
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It's about 60/40%.Dressed weight is your 60% and the hide guts bones head ect represents the 40%.
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I shot one deer over 300. Had a .308 Winchester at the time. I intend to kill a deer with a .223 using a 70 grain TSX this year. I don't care how big (or little) the deer turns out to be, I know that bullet will do what I need it to do. They shoot into well under an inch and the chrony says they leave at just over 3000.
I would like to see a deer that I'd be hesitant to shoot with that load. I mostly shoot deer to eat, but one that big might be worth popping. Never heard of a deer getting that big, but you just never know.
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Wow! I had not thought of that one. I've been using species of various sizes as an excuse to purchase new rifles. The last couple were a 45-70 and 45-90 just in case the itch for bison popped up.
Now with weight classes within a species, I have even more excuses. You're a f---ing genius! I need to get home and grab the checkbook. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 1Minute
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Never weighted this fatso live weight.Would of loved to known...but was busy trying to get home by midnight.
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Wow! I had not thought of that one. I've been using species of various sizes as an excuse to purchase new rifles. The last couple were a 45-70 and 45-90 just in case the itch for bison popped up.
Now with weight classes within a species, I have even more excuses. You're a f---ing genius! I need to get home and grab the checkbook. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 1Minute What'd I say?
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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What'd I say? Never mind Bob...accept the fact that you are a f------g genius, and you are getting more hunting rifles in circulation!! Ingwe
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I don't know if it was 300 on the hoof or not. All I know is it was one big sumbitch to get out or there.
The buck I got last year was in the mid 180's and that was enough for a guy to handle by himself.
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The deer hasn't been born that can survive a hit in the boileroom with any modern, medium-bore centerfire caliber using decent bullets. But hey... any port in a storm when you're trying to justify another addition to the safe.
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I saw a couple 300 pounders last season. They were driving a crewcab Dodge
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I saw a couple 300 pounders last season. They were driving a crewcab Dodge Where did they leave the men folk? jim
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I use my 300 Rum on my annual Canadian whitetail hunt. In the area we hunt deer do reach and exceed 300 lbs. I dont need the rum and wouldnt feel under gunned with my 25-06(Took it as back up last year), but I simply like the gun so that's what I hunt with. With 165 Ab's it also flattens deer with authority. With a behind the shoulder shot they seldom go anywhere and in many cases drop in their tracks.
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