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She may have been patted down on the road, by a male probably either using the back of his hand or an ASP baton. This isn't out of the ordinary. You have no proof that a male, (AKA-dressed her out) stripped her down and watched her shower or dress or anything else. All your doing is taking some words and speculating.

Maybe if hubby had paid a little more attention to his driving or had the Mrs. drive, they might not of been in the situation, to begin with.

UNF&&& believable ctizens-there's your law enforcement ,that's what they think of your rights! Good God....



Wake Up Already [/quote]

Yes, I did recognize it as sarcasm, but that sarcasm can still be interpreted as you stating as fact this man died because he was hard of hearing. The sarcastic part of the statement was that it was alright that he did so.

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We have a legal right to pat a person down prior to arresting them, along with prior to placing them in our LE veh's. This patdown procedure is used throughout LE across this country, with no issues. All the LEO was doing, was patting her down for weapons.

Your arguing things regarding patdowns, that are done all over this country, and have for years without issue of violation of civil rights.

As i've stated, this woman may have been wrongly held. If she was that's why we have a Civil Court process in this country. She shouldn't have a problem finding legal counsel to represent her in Fed. Crt. You don't know for 100% that this woman was dressed out, by a male, now do you?

I bet it pissed you off to be searched when you were arrested. It probably really upsets you when your probation or parole officer, makes you pee in a cup, everytime you go see them.

Hunter, he's a troll. You will never win even when you win. You are playing mental volly ball with a mental midget. Say good day, Hunter. zeN, you are an angry guy. Step away from the computer. Check your blood pressure, take your medicine. It's time for a nap. kwg

You're right-you do have a so-called legal right, but you don't have a Constitutional right and your law is null and void-you are commiting a criminal act when you violate a citizen's Constitutional rights, PERIOD.
Be it known among citizens that we should be enacting JURY NULLIFICATION when we sit on juries judging cases of police misconduct, violations of citizen's rights, false arrests etc., and insist on criminal penalities for the offenders

'Hawk,
I said it earlier in either this or the Memorial thread: at least you argue your views coherently and based on your own thought process. You also have the ablitity to separate the men from the job and realize that there are good and bad in LEO. We may not agree on everything, but I'll give credit where it's due.

The cut-and-paste does little for me. I've said a thousand times that I'd love to be able to drive the dirty cops off the job but all he sees is "cops bad, me good". Now I'm just sitting back and laughing at how absurd it is.

George

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You are nothing if not consistent.

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Your right. How's everything in Ghan. and with DynaC. going?

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We have a legal right to pat a person down prior to arresting them, along with prior to placing them in our LE veh's. This patdown procedure is used throughout LE across this country, with no issues. All the LEO was doing, was patting her down for weapons.

Your arguing things regarding patdowns, that are done all over this country, and have for years without issue of violation of civil rights.

As i've stated, this woman may have been wrongly held. If she was that's why we have a Civil Court process in this country. She shouldn't have a problem finding legal counsel to represent her in Fed. Crt. You don't know for 100% that this woman was dressed out, by a male, now do you?

I bet it pissed you off to be searched when you were arrested. It probably really upsets you when your probation or parole officer, makes you pee in a cup, everytime you go see them. [/quote]

We have a legal right to pat a person down prior to arresting them, along with prior to placing them in our LE veh's. This patdown procedure is used throughout LE across this country, with no issues. All the LEO was doing, was patting her down for weapons.

This is social rape, it is thuggery and people view it as thuggery, cops that search people and or arrest citizens without an extremely rational good proven reason are THUGS

My sarcasm expressed my steady state of suspicion concerning a roving force of armed uniformed men under the command and authorization of government agencies.

Thanks George.

Why don't you educate us, as to according to ZenII or whoever you are today. This as to what are rational good reasons to arrest people? I'ld like you to list them according to your opinion?

Probable Cause?

Quite the definition, sounds pretty damned dark. I had no idea I was in such danger when I left the house each day. Do they come out during the day, or only at night?

That too was sarcasm, leveled at your state of paranoia.

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We've got an older General Sessions Crt. Judge in this county, who describes probable cause. This to Defendants and their Attorney's as, a crime was probably committed and your client probably committed it. The frequent fliers and their Attorney's know he's right.

jeez, but you're a pompous little ass, aren't you?

He is definately a different breed Steve.

Jim

I had an FTO once that described what Probable Cause was to him specifically...."Kid, if your driving down the road at say 55 MPH and you see something out of the corner of your eye that makes you come to a screaching halt and say, What the F!ck was that. Thats Probable Cause." Always thought that was a funny way to explain it to a rookie.

With that being said, there is much more to Probable Cause than this. It has to be articulable in nature and pass scrutiny by the judge and jury, otherwise the case would get thrown out at arraignment or at the very least Preliminary hearing.

I wouldn't expect Zen to now or realize that incident to arrest we pat search everyone before placing them in the back seat of a cruiser because we don't like getting shot in the back of the head or stabbed in the neck, for those cars that still don't have cages. Research how many cops have been killed in the line of duty because of failing to do a proper pat down for weapons and contraband.

Hawkeye, on some things we agree like the quality of a Smith and Wesson .357 or a Colt Detective Special and that a Cigar while fishing in dark just seems right. The fact is, an armed society is a polite society, but anymore there are too many that can't or won't fend for themselves. So our government has seen fit to ask men and women to police for those that can't or won't do it for themselves. That is the reason this isn't like Somalia, where roaming bands of killers control every aspect of life. It's the citizens and the legislature that ask for our existance. I understand that you have a hard time trusting the police. But I would ask you, once again, to realize that there are more good ones out there, then bad. That we do a job because we feel its an honorable profession and there is nothing I like more then when I can make a victim feel safer at night. That I can help that little boy that wandered off, get back home to his frantic and scared parents and when I can send a bad guy to prison, because he has no honorable qualities and in doing so, makes the community a little bit safer at night.

I don't carry a badge around because it makes me cool and gives me power. I accept the responsibility of my badge with humbleness and humility because its a calling, just like the military. Just some random thoughts before I join my family this morning for brunch. Ryan

I appreciate what you're saying, and I understand if your personal closeness to the subject makes it hard for you to understand my position, but I already know that cops are, for the most part, decent folks in their personal and family lives. My problem, however, is with the police force phenomenon and how it's been developing over the decades in conjunction with the changing laws on the books (along with supportive court decisions), more than with individuals working in that profession, who I assume for the most part are well intentioned in their career choice.

this has got to be one of the most pointless and simply stupid threads in campfire history.....which considering the moron who started it isn't surprising.


what is the point? cops screw up? wow, there's a news flash!

here's another....cops are human..so what did you expect?

the fact that the screw ups are newsworthy....to the point that even a semi-literate douchebag like DPML/zeN can google them up and post them.....shows that they are the exception and not the norm.

and of course the whiner brigade has no solution and no suggestion other than the idiotically simple observation that they should not do those bad things.....well, d'uh

there is a rational discussion, which has been had several times here, about excessive militarization of police forces, which is a valid point and a disturbing trend.

But that's not this thread.....this is simply a troll making repetitive posts he lifted off prisonplanet or some similar place......and then self-importantly appointing himself to inform the populace. I'm sure his prior bad experiences with the police and prison scarred him.....but the normal folks got his point after the first couple of stories. To the extent there was a point in the first place.