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I will, as soon as TryMe posts the particulars of how he's getting 2700 fps with RL15, from a 22" factory barrel, when the loading manuals have RL15 topping out in the 2500's from 26" pressure barrels (which invariably run faster than factory tubes). My interest is in showing him to be a liar, or in having everyone see that his magical load is not a practical (or safe) one. Nothing else. Not gonna go spend money I don't want to spend right now, on a wild goose chase, chasing some imaginary load from the Biggest Internet Blowhard.
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Jeff,
Dude,
Please just shut up already.
Move to another topic.
You win, It's over,move along.
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Jeff,
If you want to argue with SD, please don't use language like "everyone else's opinion" You have no idea what my opinion is on most things.
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It's what he does, like claiming lots of support for hinself from people who appear to be invisible. He remains clueless.
SD is solid, JO is not.
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I could give my opinion of him, but it's a family site....
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I will, as soon as TryMe posts the particulars of how he's getting 2700 fps with RL15, from a 22" factory barrel, when the loading manuals have RL15 topping out in the 2500's from 26" pressure barrels (which invariably run faster than factory tubes). My interest is in showing him to be a liar, or in having everyone see that his magical load is not a practical (or safe) one. Nothing else. Not gonna go spend money I don't want to spend right now, on a wild goose chase, chasing some imaginary load from the Biggest Internet Blowhard. Jeff, I just thought of this(I don't know if it has been discussed in the course of this thread) but doesn't Stick use Moly on most of the bullets he shoots? And if he does so, wouldn't somewhat higher velocities with safe pressures be possible? Again, if this has already been discussed feel free to ignore it.
Last edited by 340boy; 05/26/09.
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Tim-for the from what it's worth category, the last time I did tests with moly or no in my Mashburn I picked up a whoppin 30 fps and some crud that was tough to get out of the tube.
So, 4 me it's not worth it no way no how. My tubes will not see mzl brakes and they won't see moly.
Opster, this should be worth about 5 more pages of rebut...<g>
(like I give a care...)
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Mark,
Thanks for the reply!
I have no personal experience with Moly, I don't think I will ever use it, as I have heard what you have described about the residual crud being difficult to remove.
As for the velocity, yeah that would not make a difference, sounds like.
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I can guarantee you Tim, I'll be getting the old Fire dawg pile once the mollie fans chime in...<g>
But as someone once said, you only have to make yourself happy!
Dober
(some day...we still need to plan that elky hunt by the way)
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ruraldoc, I HAVE let this go, for weeks at a time since TryMe left or got booted or whatever happened... I really, truly don't care about the subject. It's was fun, but it's done.
However, I see it bubble up every now and then, and take a peek, and lo and behold, idiots like kciH are calling me a "cock sucker" and the like.
What's a fellow to do? :-) Gotta defend myself.
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Tim, for perspective on why I've been such a bulldog on this one...
Speer # 13 shows a max of 38 grains of RL15, giving 2506 fps with a 160-gn bullet from a 24" tube.
Nosler #5 shows 39 grains going 2593 fps- from a 26" Wiseman tube.
Alliant, the manufacturer, shows identical to Speer; they probably used their data.
As you can see, RL15 giving 2700 from a 22" FACTORY tube starts looking a little dubious. But you know, I'd still give TryMe's load a run; I'm not opposed to going overpressure if my rifle isn't barkin' at me about it. If he'd just post it. He sure got cagey about it when pressed, though.
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Jeff, I was not trying to put you on the spot-I was just curious if perhaps moly would significantly increase velocties-sounds like it doesn't. Mark, We do need to do that elk hunt one of these days, that would be cool! 
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Hodgdon's manual............
One exceeds 2700 FPS and several on right on its heels. Jeff these are highlighted for your viewing pleasure!!!
162 GR. HDY A-MAX Hodgdon H4831 .284" 2.875" 47.5 2501 39,000 CUP 48.5C 2555 42,400 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX Hodgdon Hybrid 100V .284" 2.875" 41.0 2455 40,300 CUP 45.0C 2651 46,900 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX Hodgdon H4350 .284" 2.875" 45.0 2568 42,600 CUP 48.0C 2714 49,800 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX Hodgdon H414 .284" 2.875" 43.0 2553 42,100 CUP 45.0 2632 44,500 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX IMR IMR 4350 .284" 2.875" 44.0C 2494 40,000 CUP 46.0C 2655 46,900 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX Winchester 760 .284" 2.875" 43.0 2553 42,100 CUP 45.0 2632 44,500 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX IMR IMR 4007 SSC .284" 2.875" 40.0 2445 37,800 CUP 44.5C 2681 49,700 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX Hodgdon H380 .284" 2.875" 42.5 2508 42,400 CUP 44.0 2590 45,800 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX Hodgdon Varget .284" 2.875" 38.5 2504 43,400 CUP 41.0 2644 49,800 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX IMR IMR 4320 .284" 2.875" 38.5 2478 42,300 CUP 41.0 2635 49,900 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX IMR IMR 4064 .284" 2.875" 37.0 2463 42,000 CUP 39.5 2624 49,900 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX IMR IMR 4895 .284" 2.875" 38.0 2471 42,100 CUP 40.6 2650 49,300 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX Hodgdon H335 .284" 2.875" 36.5 2467 45,200 CUP 38.2 2585 50,100 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX Hodgdon H4895 .284" 2.875" 37.0 2462 43,700 CUP 39.5 2600 49,800 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX IMR IMR 3031 .284" 2.875" 35.7 2452 43,200 CUP 38.0 2598 50,300 CUP
162 GR. HDY A-MAX Hodgdon Benchmark .284" 2.875" 36.0 2441 43,100 CUP 38.0 2557 49,200 CUP
Jeff, I posted this earlier and these are book loads!!! Maybe I am just wasting my time here. Far too many inappropriate words on this thread. Just because someone posts his crap doesn't mean you need to respond!!!
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Hey Rich,
Have you done your big move yet?
Thanks for the info. I remember that from before. Note, none of those are with RL15, and I'm for guessing that that Hodgdon book is using a longer barrel. Right? AND, those are "manual" speeds.
Knock some fps off for barrel length, and for the fact that very very few rifles will touch "manual" speeds, and.... where you at? Not 2700 fps, that's for dang certain.
But at any rate, it's beside the point. Perhaps there is a load that'll do it. That's cool. I have no problem with that. Remember- I love the 7mm-08, I've owned two and currently have one and it's a great, great cartridge.
Thanks again, Rich.
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Thanks Wyoelk!
All I saw regarding RL15 was this:
"OK, the 41 grs. of RL-15 and the 162 Amax was a bit strange. Win. Brass neck size only BR2 primers seated 2.95
The group was .75 at 100yds. but the ES was 60 ???? maybe the BR2 does not get a long with RL-15. 2580 to 2640. temp was 70 degrees.
Anybody have any insight as to the large ES
Next I am going to try FGMM, that is what I use with RL-15 M118lLR duplicate load with success.
Chris"
Three things. First, that's two grains over max, and he's averaging 2610 fps. Second, he's reporting an extreme spread in velocity, as did someone else using RL15 if I'm remembering right. In other words, the load falls apart when you really push it. Not conducive to extreme accuracy at the kind of ranges where it starts to even matter, right? Third, look at that COAL! 2.95"! That's WAY longer than the magazine on ANY short action rifle that I'm aware of.
Dang I wish TryMe hadn't cheesed out. So many of these questions could have been addressed if he'd just posted his load, so that we could evaluate it properly...
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Way to cherry pick... Ever try moly? You can load it a little hotter.
Here are a few you missed.... Many have hit 2700 or come very close. Continue to mouth off about a load you have not tried. Stop bashing Larry and try some things for yourself. Come back with your own data before you run your mouth.
as we all know Varget is hard to find, so I recently tried RL-17, and got amazing velocity, (2950) but the accuracy was so-so.
45.8 grs. H4350 with 168 SMK's. Getting 2630-2660 fps
I shoot 168 bergers, seated to feed from AICS mags. I have had the best luck with Varget powder, anywhere from 43.5-44.0 grns depending on the lot. this gives me about 2800 fps.
RL15 is a bit faster than Varget, I think that load should give you 2650+ vel.
I've found H4350 to be the best with the 162 Amax in my rifle. I was able to push them very accurately to about 2840 fps
The 46.8gr of H4350 and a 25.5" Rock Barrel is giving me 2842 Avg.
I have also used 46 grs. H4350 with BR2 and 168 SMk's Win. brass got to 2600 fps ES of 40 shot .5 groups.
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Hey Rich,
Have you done your big move yet?
June 9th the truck comes and June 11th we go down to Ga. I will be coming back to Pa. for a few mos. to tie up some loose ends!
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Tastes Great!
Less Filling!
Tastes Great!
Less Filling!
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Wow, still going, just like the EverReady Bunny.
The 7-08 is the cat's azz; the 308 sucks hind tit.
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