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A lot of you are hitting on zen, but everything he has said makes a lot of sense.

If anyone has ever come in contact with LE in a negative way, then they know beyond a doubt that what both zen and myself are saying is factual, and more factual than any lawyer or LEO on here will admit.

Guilty or innocent, it doesn't matter. Get on their radar for any reason, and it is like trying to pick up a piece of sch*** by the clean end.

The FBI also found performance quotas of nine arrests and two search warrants a month expected of officers, McKenney said. Officers who failed to meet their quotas risked being transferred, he said.

zeNII:

You are trying to use reasoning and logic on these people. You might as well give up, because there is no reason or logic gene in them.

No matter how much sense you make to me, and others on here, all you are going to get is more and more frustrated.

Some, probably most, of these people you are trying to reason with are LEOs, and I think, prosecutors. You will never reach them. If they were really interested in solving a problem that really needs to be solved, they would be more reasonable and join in, but they are just like those you have been writing about, who are bullies and abuse the system for their own profit and benefit.

They are not part of the problem. Them, and others like them are the problem.

The founding fathers gave us the Bill of Rights because they knew, over 200 years ago, how local police and constables of that time abused their authority. It hasn't changed today. That is why we have courts and judges, and some of them arn't much better than the ones they judge.

The founding fathers knew that the elected constables and sheriffs could and would not use sound judgment and would use the law to abuse, rob, and cheat people. They knew the rights of the people were too important to leave it up to the descretion of an appointed or elected sheriff or constable, charged with enforcing the law.

Even most police departments have an Internal Affairs division. What does this division do? It polices the police, or is supposed to. If an organization was trustworthy, would they need other policemen to keep them honest? I think not, and in addition, I don't think Internal Affairs does much to keep the other officers honest.

I don't need to name names. Just go back through the 15 pages of this thread and you can see for yourself who they are, and what they stand for. When you start a thread such as this, trying to use reason and logic, they jump in and squawk like a bunch of magpies, and it is always the same ones, except for a few of their followers who stand on the sidelines, hoping to run in and steal a bite of spoiled meat.

Read the previous threads and it will be obvious who these are, too. They are nothings, and it makes them feel important to jump on someone who is already down. They don't have the guts or intregrity to stand face to face. The let the others lead, then come along like scavangers to feast on the left overs.

Don't stop at this one particular thread. Go to others of similiar content, and the same names with the same BS will appear over and over, making no better sense than they make here.

There arn't but about ten of them, plus a few hangers-on, but throw out some bait, and you will be sure to catch one or more of them.

They don't want change. They don't want to clean up their act. They don't want to support anyone who wants to help them clean up their act.

Of the LEOs that are frequent contributers to this site, how would you like to be stopped and arrested by one of the ones I am talking about? You would be lucky to survive. If their attitude and true feelings comes out on a public forum like this, imigine what it would be like in the backroom of a police station with two or three of them, and you helpless and handcuffed to a ring in the wall.

I know, after writing this and making similiar comments, that if I were to be arrested by one of them, that my life would not be worth a plugged nickel.

Convicted prisoners are not members of high society, nor are they pillars of the community. Well, some of them were. Most are pretty low on the food chain. But, if a police officer is arrested and put in jail, they have to be kept seperated from the general population, because these inmates, as low on the food chain as they are, still look down on policemen.

If I were a cop, that is something I would not be proud of, to be looked down on and considered a lower class of humanity by other prisoners.

As mentioned, you are not going to make any headway. They are beyond your's or anyone's reach, when it comes to decency and trying to use reason and logic.

Just to give one example, a detective lied to me about a search warrant, and made threats, so that he could illegally confiscate property of mine. I wrote about it on another thread. While the detective was questioning me and threatening me about why I moved the property, I told him that I did not trust him not to plant evidence.

You haven't lived until have questioned the intregrity of a police officer, and tell him that you don't trust him to follow the law. When I told him I was worried that he might plant evidence, he went into a tailspin, threatening to sue me for slander and a bunch of other stuff.

While I was listening to him rant, I thought, sue me for slander? How could you slander a police officer? They are below slander.

What can I do about it? Who can I complain to? Why, Internal Affairs, of course, who are police officers themselves, who might as well be the foxes put in charge of guarding the chicken house. I did talk to the Internal Affairs officer, and the first thing she said to me was that she was positive that none of HER officers would even consider doing something like that.

Well, I knew better, because I was the one who had just come into contact with the dirty end of the stick. I dropped the complaint right then, while I still outside the cell.

Do we need people like that protecting us and looking out for our rights and well being? They are supposed to be honest and upright, but when a LEO has to lie and use deceit and threats, and threatens members of your family, to enforce the law, then there is something wrong with that law. Actually, it is not enforcing the law. It is lying and using deceit to get a conviction.

If a prosecutor has to lie and falsify evidence and encourage a police officer to commit perjury to get a conviction, they there is something very wrong with that law, and even more wrong with the intregrity of the prosecutor.

The few whose names appear most frequently on this thread and others like it won't agree, but it is fact. They are very easy to identify, because their posts are the most untruthful, hateful, bullying, disagreeing and self serving of anyone who uses this forum.

I am a member of a hunting club in south Georgia. One of the members is a deputy sheriff in the county our lease is in. We go by state game laws, plus a few others we came up with ourselves to improve the hunting, all legal.

Last year, we found some bait, a hundred or so pounds of corn which had been placed in the proximity of a stand. Baiting is illegal in Georgia. After an investigation, guess who we discovered had put out the bait, all around the area where he hunted, and who had built and hunted out of the stand?

Why, it was the deputy sheriff. Who else.

That is what this country needs-LEOs like this to protect our rights and safety and wellbeing.

Of course, there is the fringe benefits--they get to abuse, beat, and kill people with immunity. Of course, they get all the free donuts they want, too

Zen:

What is on this forum is just a small sampling of what is really out there, carrying guns, killing people, arresting people.