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Mcmurphrjk

That is one of the funniest-and quickest-posts I have seen here yet. An absolutely beautiful parody. The only way it could have been better is if I would have come up with it first.

You are to be commended not only for a good stance, but also a good mind.

Jeff

Who you calling an "old phart"?

Why don't you kiss my old wrinkled ass for saying that.

P.S. Notice I mentioned nothing about it being hairy.

The only ones watching were the dogs. Camera was sitting on top of the empty box of a properly mounted Leupold.

Annnnd: The rifle is a .308W which obviously no longer has anything to do with this thread. Sorry for taking things off track.

Art, my fascination with this thread is mainly why you and others care so much how JO mounts his scope.

The extent to which you and the rest will go to point out to Jeff how he should mount HIS scope is bizarre. It's equally bizarre that JO cares what you think and can't refrain from replying.

It's his choice. As I said, I wouldn't mount a scope like that, but I'm not Jeff and neither are you. Who gives a flip!

That you're a mean spirited azz has always been apparent and threads like this have a way of revealing same.

Whang away at JO... it's your choice. I've said my peace.

PS there Artie, same friend has been comfortably retired since he was in his mid 40's... yeah, a real dumb-azz.

You're always so "right" about everything...

My own opinion, your leaning into like your shooting a shotgun.

Rifle shooters should have a straight level neck and back, no lean.

sitka dear, Air rifle shooters use a shotgun stance? Huh?

Did Jeff run TryMe off?

338
Without going back to look, that is not what I intended to say. Air rifle pellets are slow. The follow-through required to shoot them well is a function of lack of speed. And they do not want any swivel in their stance at all.

Good small-bore shooters are easier to find than good air rifle shooters... Crossing over is easier for an air rifle shooter.

The offhand position is locked in with jacket and pants tight for a .2mm dot at 50'. The precision is amazing.
art

Brad
"The extent to which you and the rest will go to point out to Jeff how he should mount HIS scope is bizarre. It's equally bizarre that JO cares what you think and can't refrain from replying.

It's his choice. As I said, I wouldn't mount a scope like that, but I'm not Jeff and neither are you. Who gives a flip!"

No, you missed the point which has been made repeatedly... No one cares how JO mounts his scope... It is concern for the guy that looks at his pictures and decides to emulate the mounting job. People come here with questions and leaving that photo up as an example is where the problem comes in.

Lots of internet experts and some need to be shown the difference between right and in this case, very wrong.

Didn't you avoid some questions?
art the Arrogant AND mean

SU35

Work is going to have to get into the way of important stuff.

I agree pure rifle target shooting is done with a more upright posture.

However, I think that for off hand field shooting on uneven ground that balance also plays a role and being flat footed is not advantageous. Also some form of rest should be used if available.

For field shooting I just take a half step back for balance at the same time keeping my neck straight.

No bent over stances and crawling stocks for me.

So how screwed up am I?

You're just as screwed up as the rest of us, but your shooting form looks fine

You have serious issues!

1-The Scope is gloss and its mounted on a Synthetic rifle.--Unaceptable.

2-The stainless steel is not coated.

3-The ballistic data on the rifle is too limited. It should be larger, and show a minimum of wind drift and drop out to 1,000 yards.

4-There is only 1 dead animal in the photo;

and

5-There is no Jolly Roger Sticker.



BMT

BMT speaks da trut...

Ouch, you guy's go right for the jugular.....(grin)

Might I add, yet again, TFF.....

battue, I hope you realized that the <BSEG> after my old phart comment means <Big [bleep] Eating Grin>...?

You are in good shape... for an old phart <g>. A compliment. Nice to put a photo to a screen name, too.

When I posted my photo for Tom264, I didn't realize we were going to show off our whole "killin' stance". Good lord peoples. I'm on the balls of my feet when I'm shooting for real.

Again, I take no issue with how any of you shoulder your rifles. I, too, could crane my neck forwards like that, but it's not at all natural for my body, it's a strain, and it's not the right thing for ME to be doing. Sounds like it's not for SU35 either. I'm for thinking he's killed some stuff.

Let me say again, because it got minimal traction due to Art's huffing and puffing the first time... there is indeed a spot, with a Leupold 2.5x8, where you can get a full field of view at all power settings... maybe, and barely. The problems are, this spot greatly compromises the low-power performance, and this spot is considerably closer to the scope than I'd like to be! You are at the far forward end of the eye box (hope that's the right way to put it). You have managed to take a scope with a very forgiving eye box, and make it one that is quite critical!

Try it and see. I have.

I have no problem with anyone who chooses to do this; it's a free country, the Far Right wing's efforts to the contrary <g>. But check it out for yourself. What I'm saying is true. You have traded eye box WHERE IT MATTERS, for a full field of view at full power- which doesn't matter.

I choose to put my scope where I am right in the middle of the sweet spot at low power, giving me enormous latitude in body and head position for a quick shot. And I choose to keep my head more or less there if I crank the power up, rather than crawling the stock to chase the image as the eye relief shortens. I do this because my shooting has shown me that BY FAR the most important thing, for me, is maintaining a comfortable, natural, consistant head position and cheek weld. That the "black around the image" at high power serves to remind me to keep my head centered behind the scope at long range/high magnification (same thing for me) is a side bonus.

That i don't get hit by my scopes, even on my .338 (M700 XCR) and .325's (Montana and BLR) is a simple fact. I do believe that a natural head position back a ways on the stock is the way to AVOID getting hit. Sure works for me. Do my thought experiment. Think of how a rifle rotates in space as it bucks up.

These are just choices I've made that work for me. I'm not you. I'm not shooting a pellet gun in the Olympics. And I'm not out there getting judged on form.

Finally, one more thing. The Zeiss on my M7, the 1.8-5.5 Conquest that none have you have ever even seen or handled, is a fixed-eye-relief scope. This is the scope that started this whole damn thing. Now I ask you. How frikkin' hard is it, to know where the sweet spot is with a scope, when the eye relief is fixed? There IS NO juggling of trading low power this for high power that. You just find the spot where you get a full field, and maximum eye box. Then you find the spot where your head naturally wants to be on the stock. Then you put the scope there, and shoot the sucker a bunch. It ain't hard. You'd have to be pretty damn stupid to screw up the placement of a fixed-eye-relief scope, if you are mounting it such that it works best for YOU.

All of which is fine, until you post a picture of it, and some guy named Art who's 1000's of miles away, thinks he knows it all but yet has never so much as touched that scope, never mounted one on a M7, and sure as [bleep] never has been around me when I shoot... starts in with the name calling and crapola...

And here we are, arguing about something stupid on the internet <g>.

LOP appears to be shorter than optimal for your physique. LOP may be closer to optimum if you wear thicker clothing while shooting.........