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Mark,

I actually think I might have gotten some misinformation on it because I thought it was almost just like a 7mm Rem Mag and not it's ballistic superior.

After looking at the dimensions on this case I see it is between the 7 Rem Mag and the 7mm STW in length and has both a sharper shoulder and less taper.

7mm Mashburn

Thanks, now I'm even more confused about what I want to do. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

How do you form brass for it? Do you use 300 Win Mag Hulls?

Yep I use 300 win hulls for a start, it is a 2 stage form.

e-mail me if you like and I can give you some more info, it's a neat round if you like to walk life a bit differently than the rest.

dogz@montana.net

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Dogz

I'd like to see that too,but I doubt it as they discontinued the 100 gr X a while back. I bought up all I could find,and they don't shoot worth a ****,so if anybodies got a box or two laying around,I'll take those worthless things off your hands. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
I haven't done anything with the TSXs yet other than to compare velocities with un-molied Xs same load,if I remember right it was around 50-60fps dif. Have a box of the 277 140s I'll try next winters cow hunt.

Yep, the 110gr .264, and about an 85gr .257 would be cool too.

John

Sooooo,

just how many boxes of 100's do you have? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Maybe we could work something out here, although it would mean me working up a new load in XXX's.

badger

The moly I have is in powdered form and you apply is using a tumbler. I noticed the moly doesn't want to Stick to the Bullet's Base or Grooves. Should I put BBs in the mixing container?

I'm not sure if this will be a problem because these parts that aren't sticking aren't contacting the bore anyway but I just think the bullets would look better all one color.

Try some H414 or H450. Both are ball powders and work VERY nicely in the .284 case with room to spare for the bullet.


Oh, and put me down for a 120 7mm tripple shock....that would be a honey!!!! Flinch

7,

Are you cleaning the bullets first? I put a little alcohol on a rag & kinda fold it over the bullets & roll them around for a while then dry them real well with a hair dryer.

I found that BB's in the tumbler container tend to help
burnish the moly into the surface better than without.

Good Shooting, Bruce

An easy way to clean bullets before applying moly is to wash with Dawn dish washing detergent in VERY hot water.



Shake them around in it and then rinse in hot water. Pour out on a clean cotton towel and let dry.



I use disposable surgical gloves that I buy from Walgreens to handle after that .



Never had a problem with the material sticking after that washing and it's easy to do.

I cleaned them with alcohol. I'm going to try tumbling them a little while longer.

How long are you currently tumbling them?

I tumbled them for 2 hours the first time and added a little more moly and tumbled them a second time last night. The moly is sticking to the parts that come into contact with the bore so I don't think performance should suffer at this "test" batch.

The problem might also be that I only did 10 bullets and crammed them into a small broadhead blade tube or perscription bottle so they probably aren't getting as impregnated as they would be in a larger container with more bullets and possibly some BBs mixed in.

Good Lord!

Alcohol cleaning, handling with gloves, tumbling for hours, maybe it sticks, maybe it doesn't...

No wonder I never cared for moly.

I just load'em and shoot'em butt naked (the bullets, not me) - they shoot real good in my '06's and .300 Win. Mag.

Jim-I was not gonna say it, nor was I gonna go there but I know of no shooters that are still in the moly game.

Be they hard core benchers or hard core hunters I know of none.

Personnaly, I fell if it helps you to feel good about your game then stay at it.

But, I also believe that the moly day is come and gone.

My apologies in advance to any who loves and uses moly. Not trying to pee on anyone's parade, just giving my uneeded 12 cents worth.

"GET TO THE HILL"

Dogz

Results of Moly coating TSXs somewhat promising but not overwhelming.

I tested the following 5 bullets/cartridges this weekend with mixed results.

1. 185 TSX 338-06 AI - < 1 inch 4 shot group at 100 (unformed brass) - still need to test with formed brass but this is a little better than uncoated bullets.

2. 140 TSX 7mm SAUM - .6 inch 4 shot group at 100 (about the same as uncoated bullets in this gun)

3. 130 TSX 6.5 Rem Mag - 1.3 4 shot group at 100, (about the same as uncoated TSXs, I'm going to change powders to try and improve because I'm not real happy with the accuracy of this gun at this time)

4. 130 Scirocco 270 Win - .8 inch 4 shot group at 100 (better than uncoated Sciroccos which are usually about 1-1.1 with uncoated bullets in 3 shot groups).

5. 180 X .350 Rem Mag - 2 inch 4 shot group at 100 (this is worse than ucoated bullets that usually go about 1.25). This was the one that I thought the moly would help the most. I might try a 200 grainer instead of the 180. The 225 TSX might be too long for the .350 on a Remington Action


So far my data is too limited to determine a great deal. I would like to compare using a chronograph as well as testing how many shots a moly bullet can go before accuracy dimineshes vs the uncoated bullets. In the case of the TSX it seems like the moly might be a non-factor as far as clean bore accuracy goes, however I noticed a marked improvement on the ungrooved Scirocco bullet.

On a final note, it really sucks when you spill moly on a white colored carpet. Any suggestions for getting it out? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

7-did you shoot one group of each load or several?



I'll ask my wife about the carpet deal, she runs a motel here and see's all sorts of challenges with the carpets.



Lastly as you gathered from my last post I see no none notta reason to be in the moly business. I'd say just move on from it and be done with it. Not that I feel strongly about it or anything........grins



"GET TO THE HILL"



Dogz



I'd be intrerested in your work with a clock and these loads when you get a chance.

Try tubling them for 90 minutes with about 3-4 oz of steel
shot. Works great on all varities. I moly bullets for about
twenty people and this is the recipe that works best in my
tumbler. When they are done I pull the shot with a magnet.

Flinch and others.....The 120 Gr TSX is already available, just not through Barnes. It is known as the Lazzeroni lazzerheads. They are made by Barnes exclusively for Lazz.. I have weighd them and they are indeed 120 Gr. They are already coated with a NP3 coating that is done with electricity from what I gather. I have been super impressed with these bullets. The coating job looks top notch. As for performance, they are unreal!!

Shooting a Sako TRG-S 26" factory BBL with brake in 7mmSTW. I got a .75" 3 shot group 100yrds with them. I was going to go five but it had started to rain and didnt get the chance. The load is Federal 215 MG primers and 84.7 grains of Reloader 22. Chrony'd at 3804 with NO pressure sighns and brass miced out perfectly after so I feel these are safe loads with thses bullets with MY gun an MY brass. You may disagree and I urge caution if you wish to try this load. Either way, these bullets are awesome. Spendy yes but I will gladly pay more for superior performance. Pluss I dont have to mess with moly which is fine by me.

I also tried the 127 Gr Groove bullets and got excellent performance, not as fast as the Lazz's but excellent accuracy. The only problem is trying to get your hands on these bullets is proving to be a long wait that I am sick and tired of.

For a quick fix, I've found a sopping wet rag to do OK. To really get it out a carpet shampooer (rented at Home Depot)did the deed. Can't even tell where it was. This was for powdered moly.