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Muledeer,
I think "most" of the filmed Whitetail hunts in Texas are fenced deer, as they usually discuss managment at the end of the show, and I personally know some of the owners also, and some of the Eastern hunts are fenced also.
However, I don't see a lot of difference in shooting a whitetail from a blind on open land or on a 10,000 to 50,000 acre fenced ranch in Texas..Lots of elk and deer are shot over salt licks and at water holes, rattled or bugled up, in the North so not a heck of a lot of differnce in my mind. Killing a bull elk in the rut with a bugle is about as easy of hunt as I know of. I know a rancher that bugles his elk up every year and shoots him from his barn loft.:)
I have an aquaintence that can show you pictures of huge bucks on his fenced ranch taken at blinds with cameras, but they never kill these really big bucks as they are totally nocturnal..I was amazed..My son hunted there by invitation and shot a nice buck but never saw one of those monsters and they got pictures of them during the time he was there. They tried really hard but no monsters showed..In five years the owner shot one and that was basically a fluke..For what it's worth and I thought it interesting. Ray I won't argue that there are a lot of places fenced here and hunted. But FWIW managment is starting to be a statewide issue, trying to get to older bucks, which actually allows more deer in areas and so on. We hunt on one place thats not fenced, and they manage on their small tract, but do so because the neighbors do too... Franks wife Ann killed a 173 there this last season. Point is you don't have to be fenced to be managed. I know I've managed our small place for years now. I've shot one mature buck on it because I never had.. since I was old enough to hunt in the 70s, and beyond that its harvest does and kill the cull bucks. My boss has property less than a quarter mile away and it paid off for him this year shooting a nice mature 8 point pushing 150, had we not been managing,IE years ago, he shot the first legal buck he saw every year..... Fences abound but managment is spread much further than that.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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"Management" is fine for those whose carving is for inches of antler. I prefer to just hunt and enjoy the outdoors, and put meat in the freezer for my family.
Hunting behind fences is to me like shooting cattle in a corral, even if the corral is huge. The quest for inches of antler, and the corresponding increase in "genetic engineering" with food plots, breeding, culling, etc. is, to me, just an ego-maniacal quest to be "better" than others. I don't care that much about others to bother comparing them to myself. Then too there's the huge amounts of money some willingly pay for a "trophy".
No, thanks. I'll just keep hunting public land, taking whatever legal animal I can in what is to me an ethical manner. And, yes, I still prefer antlerless hunts.
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Huntings shows
are to real honest-to-God-hunting as pornography is is to love.
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I just spent a complete half hour reading every post on this thread and didn't find one supporter of food plots and high fences. I posted a similar topic on this several months ago and the only thing saving me from the Texans was bad geography, none of them knew where Montana is located.
I still can't believe the time spent over bait, then the hunter claims victory when the hungry critter comes in. I suggested that Quaker Boy make a call that sounds like a feeder and maybe they could call the deer much cheaper than actually buying and using a feeder.
I still watch quite a bit of the 3 outdoor/hunting channels I have, I guess I just love looking at the outdoors. Even the feeders are out in the woods.
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Most of the so called hunting shows on TV are so boring I'd rather listen to chess on the radio! A true hunt, on the ground, on public land is almost a thing of the past.
I appreciate JB's honesty about hunting & journalism, in many ways he reminds me of Jim Carmichael, organized, honest, technical, raises a garden, how about that, and I"m not even a rifle hunter, handguns only.
Someone mentioned a bearded Texan that shoots/hunts for TC, a while back I watched him hunting whitetails in Iowa, he was packing a 15" scoped TC in 460 magnum, he rested the gun across a tree limb & missed a buck at 40 yds, on the replay you could see the bullet miss the buck so bad I felt sorry for the producers, he had to shoot 18" under that buck! True story!
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i think it was mentioned, but you guys should check out " on your own adventures" on the outdoor channel. no guids or outfitters and done on public lands.
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I totally agree with everything thats been said in previous posts. The part about holding their hand up to see if it's shaking will make me puke. I also like the shooting deer over corn that's been thrown on the ground. Or on the "Hero Shot" where they have kicked snow up around the deer so no one can see the green blood from the gut shot. Greg Ritz is a savy owner of TC and knows how to sell his product. I don't necessarly like all the TC stuff on the shows, but it puts $s in his pocket.
Beware of thieves, scammers and dishonest members on the "Fire" classifieds. Ya there is a thief here too. Whatever!!
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Most of the so called hunting shows on TV are so boring I'd rather listen to chess on the radio! A true hunt, on the ground, on public land is almost a thing of the past.
I appreciate JB's honesty about hunting & journalism, in many ways he reminds me of Jim Carmichael, organized, honest, technical, raises a garden, how about that, and I"m not even a rifle hunter, handguns only.
Someone mentioned a bearded Texan that shoots/hunts for TC, a while back I watched him hunting whitetails in Iowa, he was packing a 15" scoped TC in 460 magnum, he rested the gun across a tree limb & missed a buck at 40 yds, on the replay you could see the bullet miss the buck so bad I felt sorry for the producers, he had to shoot 18" under that buck! True story!
Dick
That same bearded Texas was guided by my buddy about 10 years ago (maybe a little more) in the sandhills of West Texas on a mule deer hunt. He wound up killing a 140" buck because he wouldn't put forth the effort to get out of the truck and do some very tough hiking through the shinnery-choked sandhills. He made the story out to be one of finding a track and following it for a few miles, then making a killing shot. My buddy said he litterally crawled up in the back of a jeep and shot the deer coming from a windmill water hole because he was too lazy to walk. He is apparently a pretty good liar also.
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Shrapnel,
There have been calls that mimic the sound of an electric feeder on the market for a few years now.
Didn't see you at the Missoula gun show. Did you go?
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I like tracks across africa and Eastmans. Can't stand the thought of waddell. What a complete tool!
It's hard for me to get hot and bothered watching a show with some guy sitting over a food plot. All the camp scenes with the "good ole boys" makes me want to go postal with a dull machete.
hate the tc nonsense aswell. LW acts alittle to smug for my taste.
the realtree and mossy oak stuff is just garbage.
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Mule Deer,
I didn't go, a cowboy shoot in Logan stopped me. There is a gun show in Livingston this weekend, I might stop by Friday afternoon...How about you?
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There were some nice guns at the Missoula show (I bought a couple of rifles, and my wife bought a shotgun) and we sold some books. We also shared a corner with a very interesting older guy who had some very fine old books, and one of the best Sharps at the show, which was bougth new by his grandfather!
I would sure go to Livingston (it has always been a good small show) but fortunately or unfortunately I am headed to Alaska on Sunday....
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Didn't read every post here, but...
Who here remembers "The American Sportsman" with Kurt Gowdy???
Used to watch that all the time when I was a kid!
Modern shows are so over-the-top commercial, makes 'em real hard to take seriously any more.
Didn't' mind Bill Jordan's show when it was available here, but the "Buckmaster" series was fairly awful.
Here in Canada cable TV offers pretty much nothing on hunting and shooting. Would love to get Shockey's program.
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I watched the American Sportsman every week. It was great.
Yet it was also "celebrity sportsmen" doing things most of us will never be able to do. Why no bitching about it? Maybe because it was well made enough to appeal to our dreams, instead of just our credit cards.
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I watched the American Sportsman every week. It was great.
Yet it was also "celebrity sportsmen" doing things most of us will never be able to do. Why no bitching about it? Maybe because it was well made enough to appeal to our dreams, instead of just our credit cards. Exactly!
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I have noticed a trend for some of the younger kids on TV outdoor shows to try to turn the outdoor experience into a rock concert. I also do not care for the freaky camera action some people use, quickly flashing pictures, stop action/jerky slow motion, strange angles, and such. I feel it detracts from the viewing experience.
I enjoyed American Sportsman a great deal. It was one of the things that inspired me to set my life up so that I could afford to do some of the things I saw these folks doing.
I enjoy several of the current shows that give good information about the area hunted and what is involved in hunting there. They give me ideas about where to go on future hunts. North To Alaska is a favorite because each hunting or fishing trip could be duplicated by just about anybody.
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"Here in Canada cable TV offers pretty much nothing on hunting and shooting. Would love to get Shockey's program."
You must have Shaw cable like I do. Only provider in Canada that won't carry Wild TV. They have Shockey's show, he is pretty good. There are a few other Canadian shows on there that are good as well but for the most part they have the same stuff as the US outdoor channels. (I used to watch it at my mother in law's as she had Bell)Actually got the channel for me so I had something to watch when we visited.
Global carries Canada in the Rough, not bad, the guy goes some nice places, dosen't cover up his mistakes and he does make some. Has a certain passion for the hunt though.
Most pathetic episode, he shot the moose in the lake after the guide told him not too. DUH!
Fairly funny episode, camera guy got to hunt, shot a nice black bear, it died on a hornets nest. He "manned up" and went after it though.
I buy Shockey's videos, he gets some great film of bears up close and personal.
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I must say that I am glad there are so many shows these days that cover so many topics and methods. If you don't care for one show you can generally find one that you do like without too much effort. I don't have to watch some old fat man kiss a fish any more because I can change the channel and watch a man hunting elk.
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Has anyone watched "Duck Commander"? It's on the outdoor channel and is far and away the best outdoor show. If you haven't seen it it worth giving it a try.
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Not a TV show or a gun hunt, now that they have enough footage for a full DVD of bow hunting, but I can highly recommend any of the three DVDs from a small outfit called WhiteKnuckle Productions. It is bow hunting whitetails but is good stuff. My kids love them and they have a good blend of how the setup is made, down to the real emotion of a big finish to a long hunting season, or a tag eaten in hopes of a real corker. Actually show setups that didnt work, or deer that could not be found.
Must admit one of the dreaded "How I can count" has been recorded but it is not that bad.
A bunch of guys who love to hunt deer and film the whole year of anticipation.
For a guy trapped in the NE with plenty of prime examples of brown to hunt with a bow it is good off season candy.
Dont watch the boob tube much at all any more due to the frustration with the low aiming point of most of it. Have laughed at my old Tuna Fishing Buddy Tred a time or two, but only cause I fished the same waters he used to for EyeBalls.
I used to only shoot shotguns and rimfires, then I made the mistake of getting a subscription to handloader.......
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