Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Elk Hunting ,338 Winchester & 210gr Swift Scirocco II.....

Personally, I can't see stoking a 338 with different bullets for different game as any advantage of one over another is mostly theoretical...

One of the reasons I like the 210 Nosler is that it will out penetrate the 250 gr. Nosler, why that is I have no clue other than its going much faster..I know it ain't supposed to be that way but it am!

One of the reasons I like the 210 Nosler is that it will out penetrate the 250 gr. Nosler, why that is I have no clue other than its going much faster, or the cross section at full expansion is less and several other factors could come into play....I know it ain't supposed to be that way as a rule but it is a fact.

One of the reasons I like the 210 Nosler is that it will out penetrate the 250 gr. Nosler, why that is I have no clue other than its going much faster, or the cross section at full expansion is less and several other factors could come into play....I know it ain't supposed to be that way as a rule but it is a fact, at least in flesh.

Ray, are you sure you like the 210's

I suspect the guys that recommend the 210 grain bullets in the .338 are recoil sensitive, IMHO i can see no advantage to the 210 .338 vs. a 200 grain .308.(speaking partitions in each) The .308 has a higher b.c. to boot.A 200 grain .308 cal can be driven just as fast or faster in most 30 cal. magnums

Wrong. I went to the 210 early on because it shot better in my rifle than the 225 and 250... like I said, it kills out of proportion to its numbers and those of use that have actually used it know that's the case while those that haven't only have theories to fall back on...

So Brad, Why is it you dont shoot a .338 anymore? Just curious.

I prefer light rifles and a 338 WM and "light" don't mix... all of my 338's were between 8.5 and 9 lbs. My idea of "light" is sub 7.5 lbs all-up...

you could get a Kimber Montana in a 338! LMAO!!

The Kimber 338 WM MT goeas arounf 8lbs all-up. Also, the bbl. is too thin for a 338 WM I'd want.

Yeah thats me, "recoil sensitive".That why I shoot a 7.5 lbs 340 and the same weight .375 H&H I shoot 260 gr. and 300 gr. from the .375
210s from a 338 Have 10% more frontal area than a .308 cal. Bullet. a 308 has some work to do just to expand to .338.
I suspect the guys who do not like 210s just have not used them and like to call others recoil sensitive.
I shoot 210 NPs chronyed from my 340 wbys close to 3200 fps (83gr. IMR 4350) You will hard pressed to get that from a .308 200 gr. bullet short of a 30-378 Weatherby and then you would be pushing it. You ain't going to get there with a short mag that is for sure.
I agree with your statement with the 338 win mag as far as velocity but not as far as caliber advantage.
I see no advantage to a 30 caliber in any cartidge over a .338. I have seen Elk just stand there and take it from a 30-06,300 win mag.
I have not seen that with the 338s Granted I have no experience with the smaller 338s like 338 federal or 338-06 but I would expect that the performance on game would be much better than their 308 sisters or brothers.
I agree that if you are using a 308 caliber the 200 grain NP is a smart bullet choice.
If you are using a 338 cal rifle for Elk hunting the 210 is a good choice regardless of what you might think. The Elk on my wall and freezer tell the story.
The 250 gr. (which I also load) would be a better choice for Brown Bear on this continent. Make no mistake I would not have a seconds hesitation shooting a Brown Bear with a 210 Nosler Partiton from one of my 340s or .338s
As Ray said the 210s have demonstrated excellent penetration in all cases (including both front shoulders)that I have used them. In all cases complete penetration and usually leaving a exit hole the size of a copenhagen can. I have also experienced less meat damage from bloodshot than from animals shot with the 30s 7mms and 270s
I see no need to move up to a 250 gr. bullet unless the game might bite back.
I have not recovered a 210 I use 210 in 338s because they just work. They have for me every time.

I am in no way saying a 210 grain bullet in the .338 is not a good bullet. The 225 grainers and heavier have a higher ballisic coeffiant and retain more energy. I'm just saying a heavier bullet gets the job done better!

This is just my opinion. By the way. I have killed a few elk with a 338

The 210 has the right combination of velocity and frontal area (from a 338 WM) to make an impression on Big BG. They shoot flat and kill out of proportion to no's armchair experts would think...

So whats up with the recoil sensitive comment. I never said you had not killed any Elk I said you probably had not tried the 210s
I have developed a 225 AB (r22) load that works good and will try them this season.
I also have a bunch of 210s that will be there they only shoot one inch difference POI & 200 yards through the Encore.

I dont see the advantage to the lighter wieght bullet other than less recoil. JMO

More velocity coupled with the 338's frontal area makes for dramatic kills.

No guessing here...

Must be the old dog new trick deal.
You got three guys I would guess probably at least 100 yrs combined experience telling you that this paticular combination works better than promised and you can't see it.
I guess thats reasonable.
In this case how does a heavier bullet help me as an Elk Hunter?
Not as a shooter but as far as terminal performance on the animal? I am going to hit the animal regardless, because I am going to shoot the heck out it. Measure powder,speed, to get a snapshot of what that bullet is doing once it leaves the end of the barrel. the 210 partitons and the 225 ABs are virtually the same out to 500 yards. The Higher BC making up for the difference in velocity at the muzzle. The 225 will pass the 210 at somewhere around 450 yards. There is an inch difference in point of impact @ 500 and 600 yards when sighted in at 200 yard zero. Since the 225 is going slower out to 450 the difference in retained enrgy is negligable.
Those numbers are based on 340 Wby.(I did this reseach a while back) 3200 FPS for the 210 NP and 3000 for the 225 AB.
There is no clear advantage for the heavier bullet at reasonble and ethical ranges. It is a wives tale. Although on .308 calibers the heavier bullet is always a better choice.
Since the original question was asking about a Swift Scirroco the BC is .510 not as "clean" as the 225 accubond @.550 but not as "Dirty" as the 210 Partiton @.400 fitting somewhere between the two. They should be fine....
Dober would say
"Sounds like ballistic GACK!"

A 225 or 250 would have even more frontal area!!!!

outweighed by the difference in velocity.
You are splitting hairs!
the bullet goes from zero to .338
The difference in bullet weight is mostly comprised from overall length. not all in front. We are talking about 15 grs. here
not .oo to .308
or .00 to .284
or .00 to .277