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.338 Win + 210gr Swift Scirocco II + ELK....

I know, I have seen the pic where a member tried to cross section one of these bullets and found a small air void in the core, but something keeps telling me that was a statistical fluke and he hit the lottery. Besides, any manufacturer can put out a flaw.

So my question is: Among the many other bullet combonations, is there any reason this combo won't work?

Use the TTSX and rock on . . .

I don't care to use anything that Barnes puts out...thanks for not answering the question though

Isn't that why one should weigh all their bullets before loading? Easy to spot those bad ones.

I use the 180 Scirocco IIs in my .300 Wby and have found them to both be very accurate and deadly on elk. When I run through the 225 A-Frames that I have loaded up, I will probably try the 210 Scirocco IIs in my .338 Win Mag. I expect them to perform just fine. I have a couple of boxes waiting...

this is just my opinion, if i'm going to shoot my 338 i want to use a heavier bullet than a 210 grainer.

I like 200s in my 06 and 300 win.

I know the 210 Scirocco IIs shoot very well in my 338-06. No experience on game though (yet). I would also like to try the SC II on a 338 Federal.

I have been using the .338 since it came on the market some years back..I have used most of the bullets that are out there including the Sirocco and found to be a good bullet on African plains game..

I setteled many years ago on two bullets in the .338 win. and that is the 210 Nosler and the 300 gr. Woodleigh, depending on what and where I am hunting...I reserve the 300 gr. Woodleigh to thick timber elk and Africa, everything else is shot with the 210 Nosler at 3005 FPS..It is the perfect cross canyon elk bullet IMO.

" I prefer the 200 gr. bullets in my 300 H&H and have used them for years regulating the 180s to my 30-06...

The only real difference I can see is taking a raking shot or a frontal shot on large animals such as elk in the timber, that is where the 200 gr. bullets shine..I shot through a 2200 lb. Eland bull with a 200 gr. Nosler in one end and out the other, the PHs 30-06 can't do that with a 180 gr. bullet of any make, according to him, but will on ocassion do it with some of the 200 gr. bullets..

I suppose the bottom line is the 200 will give you more penetration, just like it was designed to do, and that's why is there for you..Is the difference worth it to you, I don't know, that's for you to decide, but it is to me."
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Ray, I am curious as to why you prefer a 200 grain bullet in a 30 cal magnum but only a 210 in a .338. What benifet would you get from a 338 if you do'nt use a heavier bullet?

Dan

No.

I use the Scirocco II's in my 300 RUM (180 grain).
They kill elk just fine!

I thought the main advantage of 338 was the ability to shoot better, heavier bullets. 210 seems light.
However, I don;t see why it would not work? 200 and less work wonderfully in lighter calibers. 210 will too in 338.
Now, why a prejudice against Barnes?
I personally don't care who makes a bullet as long as it is well made. And I don't think that I'd write off a bullet with an air void. I don;t think that an elk hit 1" to the left or right with it would know it had an air void.

I had a conversation with Bill at Swift last week about the 210 338 bullet. My desires are for the 338 RUM for elk. He stated that is what the bullet is made for, is elk. It will break bone and continue on. Load it off the lands and build the load looking for accuracy sweet spot. He stated the 338 is stouter than even the 180 300 bullet, which we all know works well on elk. I believe it to be a great match for elk huning, but will test it this fall myself. I plan on dropping a bull and cow this year, so time will tell.

+1

The 225-gn Accubond is a wonderful, wonderful bullet for the .338 Win Mag.

Damm near perfect combo, I'd say. I'm more familiar with the 210 Nosler PT, and I've taken a moose, caribou, black bear, grizzly, and an elk with mine. With the right load (I hoard H205 powder), I can crowd 3000 fps. The .338/210 combo has been one of my favorites from over 40 years of big game hunting. Go for it.....

My Ruger 338 pushed Nosler 210's at 2900, but would not push a 250 at over 2550, as I stepped up the load from 68gr of 4350 to 69 to 70 to 70.5 Primers started to really flatten so I stopped and went back to 69. Then, they came out with the 225 partition. My gun loved it. 70.5 gr of 4350 at 2830fps with 1/2 inch groups not uncommon, always 1 inch or less. I loaded 40 bullets in 1992 and finally ran out in 2005. Took 6 elk in 10 years with it, before going to a synthetic 300 Win. Still take the 338 as a backup, but it weighs 9 1/2 lbs full up compared to 8 1/4 for the 300 Classic Stainless. All in all, that 225 NP was the best load I ever worked up, and beats the 210 at all ranges over 100 yards. Now I shoot the 30 cal 200 gr NP in the Federal HiEnergy Premium load (no longer mfd), and it kills just as well. The 225 was more fun, though, because I did it myself. Have fun with your efforts.

I have used the 210 NP from 338s and 340s to kill several bulls. The 210 has excellent sectional density @.263 and the scricco has excellent B.C @ .505
Dober will say it is ballistic GACK however those numbers do mean something.
The speed is up, the weight is there and they do wonders on ELK sized critters.
For the first year ever I have opted to try 225s ABs but I have some 210 NPs loaded up as well.
I have gotten rid of all my .308 based rifles and now hunt Elk with .338s and .375 reason is the 340wby just puts em down. I have not killed anything with the .375 as yet but all reasoning says it will perform at least as well as the 338s
I do not have the same confidence with the 30 cal rounds I have used in the past.
I think you will find the 210s a great choice for your 338

I also own a 338wm I bought as a dedicated elk round. I was blessed as it seems to shoot every reload I have fed it accurately enough for hunting, some reloads are darn right scary accurate.

I am especialy lucky that it loves both 225grn Nosler Partitions and the newer 225grn Nosler Accubonds. I have taken bulls with both loads and in all honesty I could not determine which killed elk better. Both bulls went down with in sight.

I chose to try and use the 225grn Accubond as I am of the opinion (although I admit it is only my opinion with no solid evidence to back it up) that a bullet who's design is not devided into sectiones like the Partition MIGHT just MIGHT be more accurate, and less suseptable to being finiky. The Accubond as we all know does not contain a devision and its internal core is one continuis core.

As it turns out my gun shoots Accubonds SLIGHTLY more accurate than Partitions. I came to this conclusion after shooting 10 three shot groups of each at 200yrds.

As my M700 loves RL-19 I worked up loads with RL-19 in 1/2 grain incriments.
I shot the fallowing loads during development:
<>72.5/73.0/73.5/74.0/74.5/75./75.5/76.0/76.5/77.0 grains.

All above charge weights resulted in more than acceptable hunting accuracy with no 3-shot 100yrd groups going over 2.0"
But this load combo realy started to shine once I shot loads using charge weights at and above 74 grains of RL-19, and broke the MOA threshold at 75.5 grains. I experienced no significant increase in accuracy above 75.5 grains, so I settled for the fallowing load:

<>75.5 grains of RL-19
<>225 grain Nosler Accubond
<>Federal #215 Magnum large rifle primer
<>Winchester new never fired brass neck sized only.
<>I also seat my bullets about 6-thousands off the lands, as that is as long as I can make my loaded rounds and they still fit and function flawlessly.
I'm guessing here, but I would place my MV at around 2850-2950 fps.

I strongly suspected (and again this is strictly my opinion) that this load of 75.5 grains of RL-19 is so accurate (sub MOA infact)because it is moderatly compressed. Once I felt this might be the case I went over all my reloading notes of my most accurate loads shot with my 338wm, and shure enough without exception all of my most accurate loads were with compresed loads of powders.

This load is so accurate that I promptly went back to where I bought the powder and bought all they had in that lot#
Thankfuly I have 1000 pieces of the same lot# of Win/brass and around 5000 of the same lot# of primers. As I only have 300 of the same lot# of bullets, I will use them for hunting only.

While on my last elk trip to WY, I was shooting out to 400yrds and while using a large rock as a rest I was able to hit a empty Colmen fuel can at will. Learned a important lesson while doing so. Dont place a fuel can against a large rock for a back stop with out making damn sure it wont move once shot, at 400 yards unless you want to have a half mile walk round trip to stand it back up after you hit it the first time.

I still have that can as a trophy of sorts.

I can't answer about the 210 Swift, but I can unequivocally say that the 210 Partition works well on elk (good grief, how could it NOT).

A 210 is all that's really needed on any normal BG and the extra velocity of a 210 over heavier bullets does indeed seem to make more of an impression, theoretical "advantages" of the heavier bullets aside.

War Eagle........answer is NO!!!

Now my favorite big game caliber is the .338, I have several in various configurations and a wildcat or two as well. In the .338 Win mag I favor the 225 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw for bull elk and for mule deer I like the 210 grn Nosler Partition. I tried a 180 grain once upon a time but it just was not that accurate in my rifle.

I also like the 225 grn Nosler Accubond in my wildcat .338/300 Ultra Mag for bull elk. It is very very accurate, "kicks like a mule". It holds about 5 more grains of powder than the .300 Ultra mag case.

I also have used those Swift A Frames and like them a lot too! However, they were not as accurate as the Nosler Accubond in my rifles. You will find that it is what ever your rifle likes the best and how that particular bullet holds up and performs for you in your rifle, that is the most important issue.